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What We Need to Fight Climate Change: More Austerity!


Maybe what Scott is missing that is Alan Simpson and Erskine Bowles are genuises. They know that the gods are angry at America’s deficit spending and are making our climate go crazy as a divine punishment. The only thing that will appease their anger–austerity programs that fall on the poor while making wealthy Beltway pundits feel good about themselves.

Anyway, this is a really good overview of the weather craziness going on right now. Insane cold in Russia and China, record heat in Brazil and Australia, fires in Australia, 8 inches of snow in Jerusalem, etc. This is the new normal. Or maybe it isn’t since it is going to get worse.

Human civilization as we know it cannot survive this level of climate change. The political, social, and environmental implications are too great. Humans are an extremely adaptable species. We aren’t going anywhere. But the world we know and love, it is slipping away. I really remain unconvinced that one can say our children and grandchildren will live better lives than we will. And it’s not because of national debt.

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  • John Protevi

    From the WaPo piece:

    But congressional Republicans are expected to oppose any such efforts. Rep. Steve Scalise (R-La.), who heads the Republican Study Committee, said in a statement that it is clear Americans will not tolerate any new climate policies: “Even President Obama acknowledged that our focus right now should be on putting folks back to work and growing the economy — not climate change.”

    Because we all know you can’t allow federal / state environmental / transport / housing / infrastructure stimulus spending. That wouldn’t grow the economy and address climate change at the same time. Because shut up, that’s why.

    • Davis X. Machina

      This time, a longer, not a shorter, Rep. Steve Scalise (R-LA)

      “If you can guarantee me that I’ll rule in the ruins, I’ll pull the whole thing down around my own ears with my own hands. Because I’m mad.”

      “If you can guarantee me that I’ll rule in the ruins, and not have to lift a finger, that’s even better. Because I’m lazy and mad.”

      “If you can guarantee me that I’ll rule in the ruins, and not have to lift a finger, and get to go through the pockets of the corpses for change that’s better still. Because I’m lazy and mad and mean.”

      • hylen

        Those at the center of power relentlessly pursue their own agendas, understanding that they can exploit the fears and anguish of the moment. They may even institute measures that deepen the abyss and may march resolutely toward it, if that advances the goals of power and privilege. They declare that it is unpatriotic and disruptive to question the workings of authority—but patriotic to institute harsh and regressive policies that benefit the wealthy, undermine social programs that serve the needs of the great majority, and subordinate a frightened population to increased state control.

        • hylen


    • Mike G

      Shorter Repukes:
      We can’t stimulate the economy, it’ll increase the deficit!
      We can’t raise taxes, it’ll hurt the economy!

      Everything they don’t like will supposedly hurt either the deficit or the economy, and so nothing should be done.
      Except tax cuts, which will magically increase revenue, because Jesus.

  • Incontinentia Buttocks

    Just good old disaster capitalism.

    Got a problem, any problem? Human generated climate change destroying the planet? Islamism rising? Prison overcrowding? Kansas City Royals unable to build a decent team?

    The answer is easy! Balance the budget on the backs of the poor, deregulate, disparage labor unions. Problem solved!

    • somethingblue

      Men will never be free until the last retiree has been strangled with the entrails of the last teacher.

      • John Protevi

        I see what you did there and I like it

  • I think we broke the planet.

    • Hogan

      The planet will be fine once the noxious parasite removes itself.

      • Dagney

        You sound like a typical self-loathing degenerate.

        And some parasites are awesome.

        • Hogan

          Wow, I can’t remember the last time I heard anyone being called a degenerate. Do you also call gay men “inverts”?

          • Dagney

            This parasite you were referring to was humanity, right?

            Isn’t it degenerate to wish for one’s own destruction?

            • Leeds man

              The intelligent parasite which refuses to recognize its behaviour could be described as self-loathing, perhaps. From any rational standpoint, we are a scourge on the biosphere.

            • Hogan

              I was referring to the portion of humanity that won’t get a clue when it’s pasted in front of their eyeballs. Or, in your terminology, refuse to grow hands.

            • wengler

              A parasite isn’t well-served if all it does is kill its host.

      • Ken

        One of the most sombre things I’ve ever read is in Stephen Baxter’s Evolution. Explaining the setup would take too long, so just take it as “last man on Earth”.

        He picked up a handful of sand. It was fine and golden, and ran easily through his fingers. But there were black grains in there, and some bits of orange and green and blue. The multicolored stuff must be plastic. And the black stuff looked like soot, from the fires that had swept the world as everything went to hell.

        It’s all gone, he thought wonderingly. It really has. The sand was a kind of proof. Moon rock and cathedrals and football stadiums, libraries and museums and paintings, highways and cities and shanties, Shakespeare and Mozart and Einstein, Buddha and Mohammed and Jesus, lions and elephants and horses and gorillas and the rest of the menagerie of extinction – all worn away and scattered and ground down, mixed into this sooty sand he trickled through his fingers.

  • Tnap01

    Maybe they secretly want to destroy the economy thinking it will drastically reduce carbon emissions?

    • elm

      That is the most benign explanation for their behavior: austerity will reduce economic activity, which will reduce carbon emissions (unless the U.S., Europe, and other rich countries respond to worsening economic conditions by eliminating environmental protections, which will increase carbon emissions.)

      But to tie it in to yesterday’s post: if the country gets poor enough, no one but the 1% can afford air conditioners!

      • Davis X. Machina

        A left version of this argument got made — not often, but it got made — in late 2008 over at DailyKos, in a slightly different form, to wit that the complete collapse of the present economic system would be a blessing in disguise. Thus, no bailouts for nobody — especially the auto industry.

        We’d be freed from the soul-corroding , consumerism and auto-centric culture by which we’ve all been captured. A sustainable mix of subsistence agriculture and crafts fairs would spring up, meet our newly-acquired real needs, and we’d all be improved by the experience.

        Come to think of it, Marie Antoinette and Charles Fourier could, under different circumstances, taken turns minding the same sheep.

    • wengler

      Wasn’t this part of the plot of Moonraker? Quick! Send space commandos to the International Space Station!

  • c u n d gulag

    Conservative POV:
    There is NO Global Warming!

    Any changes we think we notice, are as a result of being better able to monitor, record, and track the environment, thanks to advances in science and technolo…


    And, lets just, for the sake of argument, say there is.

    God gave us dominion over the Earth. So, that means if we want to turn it into a hot-tub and garbage dump combo, well, that’s our God-given right!
    Look it up in the Constitution!!!

    • rm

      As I might say to my fellow Christians who are deluded in this way,

      God gave you a house; that does not mean He told you to burn it down.

      • Leeds man

        Burning it down is God’s job.

        2 Peter 3:10
        But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.

      • Vance Maverick

        I heard a Baptist leader quoted recently interpreting “dominion” differently: “We’re given dominion, not domination”, i.e. the world may be ours, but it’s not ours to destroy. I wish him well in convincing his coreligionists (not sure which of the myriad subdenominations this was), but unfortunately the lexicographical argument doesn’t work. The KJV doesn’t use the word “domination” at all, so the fact that James’s translators didn’t choose that word in this case tells us nothing.

  • Carbon Man

    I’m sure as hell doing my part, Loomis. My goal is to produce as many tons of carbon as possible. In your honor, I think I’ll take the long way to work on Monday and leave all the lights on in my home. Somebody’s gotta raise all that carbon!

    • John Protevi


      • Leeds man

        Fafnir warned us of CM and his kind;

        He has been raised in dark squalid caves filled with toxic poisons where he hunts bats an small elves for sustenance. Do not take your Republican to a museum! He comes from a “Red State” where all art is banned an has been replaced by very large engines eternally pumpin greenhouse gases into the atmosphere for no reason whatsoever.

    • Malaclypse

      In your honor, I think I’ll take the long way to work on Monday and leave all the lights on in my home.

      Dream the impossible dream, Jennie.

      • DrDick

        I for one actively encourage Jenny to needlessly waste his own money just to piss off liberals.

    • In case there was any question, Carbon Man is Speak Truth.

    • Speak Truth

      In your honor, I think I’ll take the long way to work on Monday and leave all the lights on in my home. Somebody’s gotta raise all that carbon!

      Carbon Man, you will never be able to compete with Al-Gorezeera on introducing more carbon. He made 100 million of of OIL! He’s used the “green” movement to line his pockets and is not richer than Romney.

      Al Gore….master capitalist!

      Lefty hippies…..peon schmucks.

      • BigHank53

        You left out the anal sex.

  • shah8

    Guys, check out the air quality in Beijing today. It’s an incredible PM 2.5 of 800+ units. Notoriously bad days there are about at 500 units. In sane western countries, a bad day is 50 units.

    For all intents an purposes, Chemical Warfare On Chinese Citizens Day.

    • Carbon Man

      We’ll meet again,
      Don’t know where,don’t know when.
      But I know we’ll meet again, some sunny day.

      • What do you breathe?

      • Trolling’s all fun’n’games, but when you’re literally cheering on self-annihilation on the basis that it pisses off TEH LIBRULS…well, you might want to step back from the brink. Or, you know…not.

        • Malaclypse

          I would be very angry, and also scared and helpless, if Jennie constantly sat in his garage in his big, manly SUV, with the engine running while he listened to music.

  • DrDick

    Come on, Erik! You know as well as anyone that austerity cures everything! Have a recession? austerity is the answer! Have a boom? Austerity is the answer! It is the 21st century magical elixir (formerly known as libertarian snake oil).

  • Dagney

    “Human civilization as we know it cannot survive this level of climate change. The political, social, and environmental implications are too great. Humans are an extremely adaptable species. We aren’t going anywhere. But the world we know and love, it is slipping away.”

    Indeed. There might be a few phylogenetical split: some will way go back to tribalism, even to herdism, and some other will go full-spectrum biotechnological, galactic style.

    • Leeds man

      And most will die. Keep the faith, Wichser.

      • DrDick

        Dagney will be among the first to go.

      • Dagney


    • Someone sure is proud of his vocabulary.

      • BigHank53

        Someone is also utterly ignorant of how delicately balanced upon a pyramid of technology a silicon chip foundry is: a state-of-the-art CPU fab costs a billion dollars, and you can never shut off the power without doing a complete cleaning and recommission. You can design a network to deal with crappy, irregular power: see Africa or Afghanistan. Building a smartphone requires cheap, reliable power. In about twenty countries.

        • DrDick

          Butt ignorance masquerading behind a fancy vocabulary he clearly does not understand is Dagny’s hallmark.

        • Malaclypse

          Supply chains are for people who don’t read pretentious French philosophers.

      • Leeds man

        His hero, Peter Sloterdijk, is a Randian with a German scholar’s vocabulary, which is awesome, because they get to capitalize their big words.

        • Dagney

          Sloterdijk ain’t no Randian.

          And he’s no hero; he’s basically of theoretician of media. He created a few very important concepts, and I’m very surprised to see he’s not well known in the USA.

          I thought he and Agamben would have been better known, even among ‘liberal’ academics.

          • Leeds man

            Sloterdijk ain’t no Randian.

            And Red-crested Pochards ain’t ducks.

            • Dagney

              I’ve read the majority of his books, and never read anything close to Atlas Shrugged. He never did promote selfishness nor a critics of laissez-faire capitalism.

              What is your source(s)?

              • Leeds man
                • Dagney

                  That statement of Sloterdijk was simply a statement of fact. And it was just an article, the equivalent of a blogpost mostly; it has nothing to do with his philosophical work.

                  ” I’m sure Sloterdijk would disavow Rand, by the way.”

                  That’s not how philosophy works; it’s about concepts and problems; not about any singular individual. For instance, I strongly oppose to Ayn Rand’s ethics of selfishness, her radical denial of the virtue of self-sacrifice; however, I like a lot her concept of money (money as an iconic proxy for man’s ability to think, work and produce).

                  I could use this concept, Sloterdijk could use it, a stalinian philosopher could use it, anybody, without disavowing or worshipping Madame Rand.

                • Malaclypse

                  That statement of Sloterdijk was simply a statement of fact.

                  That’s how Rand described her work as well.

        • Objectivism is what happened when someone thought “You know what? Libertarianism just isn’t quite radical enough. What if we threw a personality cult into the mix?”

          • Dagney

            Sloterdijk is no objectivist.

            In fact, as did Deleuze and Simondon (two Frenchmen), Sloterdijk (a Deutschmann), tries very hard to bring philosophical theory beyond the dichotomy of object/subject, nature/culture, and so on and so forth.

            • Ah, let me guess, he’s not a true Scotsman?

            • Malaclypse

              Sloterdijk (a Deutschmann), tries very hard to bring philosophical theory beyond the dichotomy of object/subject, nature/culture, and so on and so forth.

              How utterly unprecedented. Nobody thought of doing that before!

              • Dagney

                My point was that Sloterdijk is not an objectivist since he wants to think beyond that dichotomy opposing objectivity and subjectivity — not that this aim to which he contributes is unprecedented.

                • Malaclypse

                  ‘When I use a word,’ Humpty Dumpty Dagney said, in rather a scornful tone, ‘it means just what I choose it to mean — neither more nor less.’

            • BigHank53

              Does anyone else smell an approaching TimeCube?

              • Leeds man

                Cubes are so 1997. Tesseracts, baby!

          • Informant

            Rand rejected libertarianism as being anarchistic, so which is the more radical philosophy?


            Capitalism is the one system that requires absolute objective law, yet libertarians combine capitalism and anarchism. That’s worse than anything the New Left has proposed. It’s a mockery of philosophy and ideology. They sling slogans and try to ride on two bandwagons. They want to be hippies, but don’t want to preach collectivism because those jobs are already taken. But anarchism is a logical outgrowth of the anti-intellectual side of collectivism. I could deal with a Marxist with a greater chance of reaching some kind of understanding, and with much greater respect. Anarchists are the scum of the intellectual world of the Left, which has given them up. So the Right picks up another leftist discard. That’s the libertarian movement.

      • Dagney

        I just try to be precise; I thought this was a place populated by theoreticians.

        Proudness has nothing to do with the will to be clear and concise.

        • Your self-love is impressive. Now please go away.

        • DrDick

          I thnk you may want to look up the Dunning-Kruger effect, as you are the living embodiment. You throw around a bunch of phrases you do not understand and think it makes you look smart.

          • Reminds me of what someone said about Gingrich. He sounds like a stupid person’s idea of what a smart person sounds like.

        • Uncle Kvetch

          I thought this was a place populated by theoreticians.

          I don’t know what could have given you that impression; ain’t nobody here but us pancake-lovers. Would you like syrup or just some fresh fruit?

          • DrDick

            Actually, I do teach a couple of our departmental theory courses, including both the upper division history of theory and the graduate seminar on contemporary theory.

    • It’s an intriguing blend of Perfesser and Godlstein…

      • BigHank53

        But still 100% man! troll!

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