Pollock

While I guess I’m glad that McDonald’s is using a certified fish that is theoretically sustainable (although I doubt it really), I don’t know what karma the entire noble species that is pollock had in the past to deserve being harvested for such a loathsome product as the Filet-o-Fish.

Also, y’all should know what an Alaskan pollock actually looks like. Turns it is not actually a breaded, tasteless fish that swims between two awful slices of bread and a dollop of tartar sauce.

94 comments on this post.
  1. Capt. Trollypants:

    whatchoo order, fish filet?

    I think there is nobody I agree with more that has a more grating and inflammatory style than Loomis. He is the Madame Defarge of what is in my stomach!

  2. Erik Loomis:

    Thanks???

  3. mch:

    This last summer, my Alaska relatives brought us haddock and salmon and shrimp they’d caught a couple of weeks earlier, and frozen and vacuum-sealed just right. In contrast to years past, when their fish took us all to seventh heaven, this fish was just, well, very good. (Still is — I have lots left in the freezer, which tell s you something.)
    So onwards, McD’s. Fish “properly” in those increasingly tasteless seas and rivers.

    We need to leave the seas alone for a good long while. (Except to clean them up — that’s another impossible story.)

  4. Capt. Trollypants:

    Depends, you deserve a battle rap demolition, my agreeable, offensive friend.

  5. Erik Loomis:

    Also, I find it genuinely surprising when people use terms like “grating” and “inflammatory” to describe me. Which doesn’t mean they aren’t true. I just don’t see myself this way.

  6. Substance McGravitas:

    You must make the battle rap happen.

  7. Leeds man:

    Jesus, some people just can’t take a compliment.

  8. commie atheist:

    Damn – I thought this was going to be about abstract expressionism.

  9. Erik Loomis:

    I’m sure Jackson Pollock would have done some awesome work with a bucket of fish guts.

  10. Erik Loomis:

    Really, it’s not that. It’s a totally different point about seeing myself in a totally different way than others see me. Compliment or not, it just surprises me.

  11. Pinko Punko:

    I would say you probably aren’t that way in person, but the internet is different. I know we’ve talked about some things before. Bjian and I had some stuff about it awhile back- don’t know if you saw it, it is always weird to kind of talk about this stuff in comments. Nobody really wants to be discussed in this way. I won’t speak for the Captain- who knows where that messed up battle rapper is coming from. I’ll just say that, objectively who wants to defend a filet o’fish? I personally remember liking them when I was 7. There are a lot of better things in this world and more responsible, environmental things. I also think when I lived in the cosmopolitan world of diversity and culinary smorgasboard around the University of Suck, it was easier to think this way. Now, I live in Cloverhill Big Texas Honeybun. I think people have terrible tastes, and kind of terrible ideas about a lot of things. They are defensive about anything good because they think that new things are a judgement on their lifestyle. I hate that attitude. Nothing can cost more- everything has to be bigger and cheaper. To embrace spending a little bit more money on quality is a problem. To ask for a little bit more quality or thought is to be judgemental on their lifestyle. This is how conservatives set up a defensiveness regarding a perceived if not elitism of the other side.

    So I do agree with things that you say, but the way you say them comes across as a stereotype of a bomb thrower and not always the way you think you are throwing bombs. I think of it as the unnecessary rhetorical flourishes that make Loomis the Rush* of LGM (*proggy Canadian power trio). Your writing in your labor series is totally different than when you write about other things, or your more spontaneous posts, which are always the ones that are grating, and inflammatory.

    Some people think Bob Somerby overdoes his concern for what it means to constantly be calling out the right for their racism intended or reflexive, mindlessness. I think he does a little bit. But underneath that, he probably has a point. I am surrounded by crazy people just spouting off things they are conditioned to say reflexively, and they are inoculated against thinking about some of that stuff because Fox news is on every TV in every business in town, and they are being told “liberals just want to tell you what to do, you and I both know better how you really think”- it is the easiest thing in the world. Underneath a lot of their global warming denying, gun loving exteriors, I think they probably are basically normal. They are just on the wrong team. [I hope that is the case, otherwise they are all sociopaths]. That kind of person is programmed to react with extreme prejudice about anything that appears condescending. So I personally think of the “loathsome” filet o’ fish, I guess I think “was that necessary”

    As the kids say- it’s long, didn’t read it. Loomis baggage.

  12. Erik Loomis:

    Was I just compared to Geddy Lee? I mean, there’s insults that are in bounds and insults that are out of bounds.

  13. UberMitch:

    This is brillant. Also, TL;DR.

  14. Belle Waring:

    As to their previous sins, Mr. Loomis, the souls inhabiting all these pollack, having been granted a short-cut transit from 10,000 years in the (Buddhist) hell of the iron mortar and pestles directly to living organism not bugs, well, let us just say that they have made out very well indeed if all they suffer is swimming about for a while and then being killed. They have few opportunities to do evil as a pollack, and may even earn merit in some way; perhaps the entity formerly ensouled in your Filet-o-Fish may have moved on to a shark. If we have left any alive. We may find later we have blocked our own path to enlightenment! I think the Maitreya Buddha’s got that one, though.

  15. dollared:

    This was just an elitist asshole post. Nothing more and nothing less. I’m personally glad McDonald’s offers a fish option, and I’m glad it’s less destructive than that lovely sashimi you probably prefer that godawful fish filet. But it does you know credit to act like an ass.

  16. James E. Powell:

    When I was a kid, Catholics were still required to abstain from meat every Friday. Sometimes, we went out for fish fries, which were available all over the very Catholic town of Cleveland, Ohio. But most often we ate at home. We ate these things called fish sticks. I wonder what exactly we were eating. It made the McD’s filet o’ fish seem like fresh caught brook trout prepared over an open fire. It’s probably best that I don’t know what was in those things.

  17. Murc:

    Sometimes, we went out for fish fries, which were available all over the very Catholic town of Cleveland, Ohio.

    Here in Rochester (New York, not Minnesota) every Friday a million different places still offer fish fry. It’s usually a big slab of some manner of whitefish with fries and slaw.

    I imagine this is quite common in areas of the country that had/have significant Catholic presence. I actually didn’t make the connection between ‘no meat on Fridays’ and ‘every Friday I can get delicious fish’ until I was in my twenties.

  18. expatchad:

    Inflammatory Pollock???? Jackson???

  19. Thlayli:

    This is exactly why the Filet-o-Fish exists in the first place. A McDonalds owner in (IIRC) Pittsburgh was seeing a big dropoff in business on Fridays. He asked his customers about it, and got the answer “We’re Catholic, we can’t have a hamburger on Friday.” So he came up with the fish sandwich, got Ray Kroc to sign off on it, and the rest is history.

  20. joel hanes:

    In the 50s and 60s, your fish sticks were probably made of North Atlantic cod; overfishing hadn’t yet completely destroyed the productivity of the North Atlantic fishery for that large, tasty and once-astonishingly-abundant fish.

    Fish sticks are still made; you’ll be unlikely to find any cod in them.

  21. Bijan Parsia:

    I would say you probably aren’t that way in person, but the internet is different. I know we’ve talked about some things before. Bjian and I had some stuff about it awhile back- don’t know if you saw it, it is always weird to kind of talk about this stuff in comments.

    Good times!

    Erik, I wonder if you meant that you don’t judge yourself to regularly being provocative or your reflective perception doesn’t see what you write as regularly provocative. If so, a bit more reflection or perception training might help.

    Of course, you’re going to be starting in a hole: You regularly write about topics against common consensus and you often condem certain people, beliefs, behaviors, etc. and in pretty strong terms. This is going to rub the targets the wrong way (obviously) and a certain number of non-immediate targets as well.

    This does not imply you need to change at all, unless, of course, you think (in some contexts) some modifications to your style would help with useful persuasion.

    If you look at your Greenwald challenge, it’s really not difficult to discern that starting with a lengthy refutation of Greenwald’s claim about his own beliefs is not an optimal strategy for engagement even putting aside Greenwald’s legendary touchiness. (Given Greenwald’s legendary touchiness and is immediately prior expression of that touchiness wrt your initial claim, I do have to say that you are culpable for the predictable failure of your move to succeed.

    (BTW, I’m not casting stones. Just see my exchange with Otto yesterday. I was certainly not trying to be soothing of Otto in my initial comment. And that’s partly because I’m ongoingly irritated by his disingenuous sloppiness and failure to respond to being called out for that sloppiness reasonably. (You can see it in that thread.) OTOH, my comment wasn’t maximally offensive to a reasonable person. Contrariwise, it’s not maximally inoffensive, esp. to an Otto.))

    Needless to say, this is all about your writing in this context and not about you all things considered.

  22. Malacylpse:

    Wait, being called Geddy Lee is worse than when I called you the Phil Collins of LGM?

  23. expatchad:

    Producing a wide range of esthetic stimuli.

  24. Paul:

    Sorry this post just seems a bit Elitist, McDonald’s might not be could food but sometimes fast food is the only viable option.

    The voluntary regulation might not be great but it does with he adherence of large organizations at least demonstrate that it is needed. I sorry for the Pollock if the MSC is BS but than maybe we can get real effective state or Federal oversight in a situation where everyone had already agreed oversight was needed and the MK1 vs failed…

    As for the Sandwich I don’t really think the fish patty is the problem. My question would be why can’t MD’s offer bun choice and why can’t you get decent Mayonnaise or Tartar sauce in the US.

  25. arguingwithsignposts:

    After head on a stick-gate? Really?

  26. Lee Rudolph:

    Head-on-a-stick-gate, head-on-a-knitting-needle-and-guillotine-gate, what’s the diff?

  27. Lee Rudolph:

    “Whoever invented the Fish Finger // Ought to be battered and fried.” (Leon Rosselson)

  28. Erik Loomis:

    There seems to be some misunderstanding about my point here. The point is not that McDonald’s shouldn’t serve a fish sandwich. It’s that the fish sandwich option they choose to serve is an abomination.

  29. Erik Loomis:

    There’s actually a really fascinating article from History of Technology about 5 years ago on the development of the fish stick. Paul Josephson wrote it.

  30. John:

    How is this demonstrated by the picture of Pollock?

  31. spencer:

    But the Filet O Fish is objectively awful. Unless you’re younger than ten years old.

    I read Erik’s post and can’t find the bit that seems to be riling people up, which makes me think that Pinko Punko @02:18 is right about people being reflexively defensive of their lifestyles.

  32. spencer:

    We used to have a fish fry every Friday for lunch at summer camp, just outside Detroit. I never actually did make the connection, even though I was nominally Catholic.

  33. spencer:

    I read it as his way of showing the inherent inferiority of the product by pointing out that the process of making a Filet O Fish turns what you see in the picture into an unrecognizable breaded rectangle of bland.

  34. Erik Loomis:

    People should also know what the fish they eat look like. A separate issue that I put in there at the end.

  35. Bruce Vail:

    In the bad old days of the Bush years, the NLRB chimed in with this terrible decision to protect the public’s right to cheap labor on fish filet ships:

    http://books.google.com/books?id=o31AHRdxqyEC&pg=PA28&lpg=PA28&dq=Phoenix+Processors+labor+NLRB&source=bl&ots=oBUEamQXOr&sig=OQ9jjNhgAJIYtK4S7M_H9s1gM_s&hl=en&sa=X&ei=RoEGUf7jBar20gGY2oCADw&ved=0CDsQ6AEwAg#v=onepage&q=Phoenix%20Processors%20labor%20NLRB&f=false

  36. Boots Day:

    Leonard Cohen spent five years in the 1990s living in a Zen monastery on top of Mount Baldy in California. When he would come down from the mountain to take a break and return to the real world, the first meal he would get would be a Filet-o-Fish and a good bottle of French wine.

    This was my absolute favorite tidbit from the new Cohen biography.

  37. joe from Lowell:

    Screw you all (except, apparently, Leonard Cohen). I like the Fillet-o-Fish. I like it when they have the special, and you can buy two Fillets-o-Fish for $3.33.

    It’s good fish, and the slight lemon flavor in the tarter sauce is a nice touch. I just wish they could toast the bun.

    I say this as someone who grew up near Narragansett Bay and worked in seafood restaurants (where we, too, used frozen Alaskan pollack for the fish and chips).

  38. Paul:

    “People should also know what the fish they eat look like. A separate issue that I put in there at the end.”

    Why my New York Strip does not look a cow nor my baguette like a wheat stalk. The Whole point of Sandwich is to a have a efficient on the go food. I like cooking and when I liked near my Uncle I had lots opportunity to make very nice dinners with fresh Walleye or Lake Perch or Trout. Of course I did not also have three kids at the time and their Homework and activities… If you can show how MD’s can make french ban fried Pollock fast and fresh and in a way I can hand back to my kids while drive I all for it and what they provide a nice bag for the heads?

    Fast food is what it is and it fill a niche. It should obviously never be your day over day meal, but it rather hard to eat baked pollock on rice with a side of asparagus and wine and butter reduction sauce while driving.

  39. Paul:

    err I wish you had an edit function I hate locking in by bad first pass grammar and mistakes

  40. CaptBackslap:

    Good lawd, yes. I mean, I can listen to some Phil Collins-era Genesis no problem. If I’m listening to Rush, I’m either on a really terrible date or being held at Guantanamo.

  41. CaptBackslap:

    It’s almost never the case that McDonald’s specifically is the only viable option. And even in those rare cases, there are items that aren’t as gut-punishingly terrible as the Filet-O-Fish.

    Wendy’s makes a pretty decent fishwich, but I like the Arby’s one because it seems to have been named in tribute to my favorite 90s ska-punk band.

  42. witless chum:

    Well, that’s just an insane person’s point to make. If McDonalds serves it, it’s gonna taste like McDonalds.

    My favorite part of Fast Food Nation was the section about the glories of the flavor industry. That’s just so illustrative of the craziness and, kinda, greatness of the American capitalist experience. We’ve created this huge industry around making food that has been destroyed by processing taste like it isn’t processed because it’s, in theory, cheaper than just making a burger and fries from fresher ingredients that’ll just taste like themselves.

    It’s like the military saying, amateurs discuss tactics, professionals discuss logistics.

    I guess maybe there’s people who don’t know what fish look like and certainly plenty who’ve never gutted one themselves, but that point is only slightly better.

  43. Bill Murray:

    Neither is good. Maybe Erik can be the Bob Stinson of LGM

  44. rea:

    Historians and bloggers, each must do their part,
    To forge a new reality, closer to the heart . . .

  45. Sherm:

    As a guy who grew up on Lake Ontario, I’m guessing it’s haddock that you’re eating on Fridays. We weren’t catholic, but fried haddock, french fries and coleslaw was a great friday night dinner.

    The only things they cook well in Central New York — fried fish and those white hotdogs by Hofmanns.

  46. DrDick:

    either on a really terrible date or being held at Guantanamo.

    How do you tell the difference?

  47. bradP:

    Of course, you’re going to be starting in a hole: You regularly write about topics against common consensus and you often condem certain people, beliefs, behaviors, etc. and in pretty strong terms. This is going to rub the targets the wrong way (obviously) and a certain number of non-immediate targets as well.

    Dining and beverage choices are one of his regular targets, plus he often suplements that with posts about how fantastic his own personal dining choices are.

    In this situation, and in others, its also a dining choice motivated by other reasons than the actual quality of the food, so it does seem as if Loomis is belittling those other reasons.

  48. rea:

    18 years dead?

  49. Pinko Punko:

    Depends on how popular it is in that area. They always seem old around here, but the tartar sauce is an old favorite because of my 7 year old self.

  50. Pinko Punko:

    If the ponytail fits. Only question is whether the other guys are going to fight over being Peart or fight over not being Peart. Only their secret dark hearts will know.

  51. bottyguy:

    I don’t like hearing all this disparagement of the Filet-O-Fish. It is my favorite item on the McD menu, much better than the burgers and better than most form fish based product including sushi grade “K-Crab”. And don’t get me started about the stinkin french fries that are only good for 50 seconds from the time they are removed form the heat lamp until they turn into limp noodles.

    I started really enjoying the FoF when they were made from endangered cod, I wanted to get my share before it was all gone. But now I enjoy them for their intrinsic fast food deliciousness.

    Sure I only eat one ever couple of months or so, I’ve got to wait for the after-taste to die away, but I love the softness of the bun, the crunch of the fried fish patty, and the extra bit of protein provided by the slice of cheese (yes dairy and seafood can co-exist). Finally there is the generous helping of tartar sauce strategically placed so as to plop onto your pants no matter how you hold the sandwich. Yum.

  52. Jeremy:

    Seriously, who the hell gets worked up over a FiletO’Fish? Although, I must admit that I like having it be on the conservative side. It gives me an easy identifier of people I should stay away from.

  53. witless chum:

    One of the Guitar Hero games makes you play like 25 straight minutes of Rush if you play on story mode. I wonder why that franchise is defunct?

  54. Chester Allman:

    Yeah, I’ll also admit to liking the Fllet-O-Fish. I also like high-quality sushi and fancy cheese and stuff. I contain multitudes, I guess.

  55. witless chum:

    People say this, but it wouldn’t be very hard to make a bunch of peanut butter sandwiches and a tupperware of carrot sticks ahead of time and bring them along for kid feeding. Only slightly longer than it takes to sit in the drivethrough at peak times. People, especially kids, also just like fast food cause of the simulated grease and the high levels of salt and such. So convenience isn’t the whole story, though Jeff Hanneman knows that planning ahead does count as extra work.

  56. Malaclypse:

    For a while, we were driving back and forth from Boston to PA on a monthly basis – 6-7 hours each way. Grab a bag of apples for the drive, and you don’t need to deal with horrid rest stop meals. Total planning time is about 15 minutes, total cost is way cheaper. Plus you don’t end up with horrible McDonald’s smell in your car.

  57. Sherm:

    Promising the kids McDonalds helps ensure a somewhat more peaceful drive, however. Its really the only time I eat that shit — on the highway. No pre-made sandwich will incentivize good behavior in the car like McDonald’s.

  58. Sherm:

    Mal — off topic, but thought you might be amused by this, and I don’t know anyone who would appreciate it, so I’m telling you bc I know you’re CVB fan. The wife and I saw CVB and Cracker last weekend in Manhattan. This morning she tells me she’s been craving “pepper steak” and wants to make some for dinner if that’s ok with me. She goes on to say that she’s been craving it all week and that someone at work must have mentioned it to her. When I asked her if she works with David Lowery, she looks at me like I’m crazy, until I started singing All My Favorite Fruit and asked whether she’s been craving key lime pie as well.

  59. TribalistMeathead:

    My favorite thing about Lent used to be that McDonalds would sell the Double Filet-O-Fish. Now I think some sell it year-round.

  60. CaptBackslap:

    My preferred theory is that people eventually realized they could be learning an instrument for real (either with Rocksmith or even not looking at a screen at all) with all the time they were spending on Guitar Hero.

    But the forced Rush hypothesis is also compelling.

  61. Full of Woe:

    I think I’ve been reading too much Terry Pratchett because I read the title of this as “Pillock” at first.

  62. Malaclypse:

    That is awesome. How was the show? I had tickets to the one in Cambridge, but Mrs Mal had the flu, so I had last-minute mini-Mal responsibilities.

  63. Malaclypse:

    One cannot read too much Pratchett.

  64. Richard Hershberger:

    “It’s almost never the case that McDonald’s specifically is the only viable option.”

    Exactly. It isn’t just that McDonald’s is fast food, it is that McDonald’s is *bad* fast food. It might not even be the worst. I haven’t been to one in years, but as I recall Burger King is quite vile. But you can do much much better.

  65. Sherm:

    The show was excellent. You missed a real good time. An incredible show for $20 tickets.

  66. Slocum:

    Settle down, Columbine.

  67. Slocum:

    Thank God we are going to have this ever-productive and enlightening argument.

  68. Slocum:

    Those fish look pretty fucking surprised.

  69. Cody:

    Around here in Northern Indiana there are fish fries every Friday for fundraisers. Certainly a decent amount of Catholics here, but the Boy Scouts put them on to make money.

    It’s really good, all-you-can-eat fish for $10. A lot of fried fish was had. Probably taken a year or two off my life though.

  70. Paul:

    “People say this, but it wouldn’t be very hard to make a bunch of peanut butter sandwiches and a tupperware of carrot sticks ahead of time and bring them along for kid feeding. Only slightly longer than it takes to sit in the drivethrough at peak times. People, especially kids, also just like fast food cause of the simulated grease and the high levels of salt and such. So convenience isn’t the whole story, though Jeff Hanneman knows that planning ahead does count as extra work.”

    First what wrong with it problems as I said I don’t think it the basis of good basis for living. Almost nothing is good in excess and lots of things are only good in moderation, that does not mean thay are bad or not enjoyable.

    Yes I could could make sandwiches of course they will sit in my car all day until its 7:00PM and I’m driving home from swim meet with my kids… Sure I could have used a cooler and planed mulitple sandwiches – but of course only one of my kids actually PB&J (and I don’t for example either). SO now I need to plan the whole day out, keep everything fresh and and safe and sorry maybe you are uber A-type but I am not.

    I often forget my own lunch or my wife has to finish edits as so she the one with the snacks can’t actually pick up the kids or they are tired of the snacks that were packed (they do that) or maybe just maybe I want some greasy salty fries.

    But even still the point remains so what so I make a ham and cheese on rye w/lettuce for me or my kids… Is not the scale and nature of the farms that made produced the grain or the ham or lettuce or likely the cheese just as industrial as the Pollock fishery? It would be nice if we could all afford artisan cheese and organic wheat flour and the time to make bread (for a little while until the pests, fungus, mold and weeds makes that go away)and local lettuce (except in winter), but on balance I can’t afford that and I’m betting most other cannot either at least without making food a far larger part of your time an money budget than most people posting in this reply section expect.

    Again a PB&J is just you cutting out the window attendant. It a completely modern processed sandwich. Did you grow those carrots? On balance the cost is mostly moot.

  71. Njorl:

    “O wad some Power the gift tae gie us
    To see oursels as ithers see us! “

  72. anon:

    I personally can’t wait for Erik’s next installment of “Stupid shit poor people eat.”

  73. Pestilence:

    you’re more likely to escape from Guantanamo?

  74. Bijan Parsia:

    Dining and beverage choices are one of his regular targets, plus he often suplements that with posts about how fantastic his own personal dining choices are.

    Yeah, that’s not an easy winner, esp. when you mix mock-pretention or supercilious-superiority (I know!) of taste with genuine aesthetic and moral judgements.

    OTOH, Erik and I had a Twitter exchange about ketchup and he backed down :)

  75. Pestilence:

    It is? seems …. you know, fatty and lacklustre, like all fast food, but awful seems … awfully strong.

  76. Anna in PDX:

    That chapter has remained with me – that and the parts about how long burgers last without going bad – while all the rest of Fast Food Nation went in one ear and out the other. It was truly fascinating, particularly the difference (very academic) between “natural” and “synthetic” flavors.

  77. Malaclypse:

    For reasons that I suspect have to do with state-induced learning and youthful overconsumption of certain otherwise-harmless herbal substances, I now know that my normal Joy Division/She’s Lost Control solution to annoying earworms does not actually work with Rush songs.

    This makes you history’s greatest monster.

  78. witless chum:

    I don’t know about people, but I couldn’t. I can mash buttons with the best of them, but I’m seriously tone deaf. Like, can’t tune my guitar tone deaf.

  79. djw:

    Seriously, who the hell gets worked up over a FiletO’Fish?

    This thread is conjuring up memories of the spectacular display of outrage that Jewel’s inclusion in Noon’s worst birthday series was met with.

  80. mark f:

    From now on I’ll only be eating Filet’O'Fishes, sitting in my garage looking at my stockpiles of REAL LIGHTBULBS. With my SUV ___RUNNIGN__. Take that, LIBTARDS!!!

  81. witless chum:

    But even still the point remains so what so I make a ham and cheese on rye w/lettuce for me or my kids… Is not the scale and nature of the farms that made produced the grain or the ham or lettuce or likely the cheese just as industrial as the Pollock fishery? It would be nice if we could all afford artisan cheese and organic wheat flour and the time to make bread (for a little while until the pests, fungus, mold and weeds makes that go away)and local lettuce (except in winter), but on balance I can’t afford that and I’m betting most other cannot either at least without making food a far larger part of your time an money budget than most people posting in this reply section expect.

    Well, the sandwich would be a lot healthier for them, would be one point. If you can make a PB and J that has more calories than a McDs burger, I want one of your PB and Js. Does it have bacon? And there’s nothing too bad you can do to carrots.

    I don’t go in for the organic thing. I always read organic on something and read bullshit marketing. But there’s vast degrees between just the regular, not very processed food in the average supermarket and McDonalds.

    Yes I could could make sandwiches of course they will sit in my car all day until its 7:00PM and I’m driving home from swim meet with my kids… Sure I could have used a cooler and planed mulitple sandwiches – but of course only one of my kids actually PB&J (and I don’t for example either). SO now I need to plan the whole day out, keep everything fresh and and safe and sorry maybe you are uber A-type but I am not.

    Yeah, I know. That’s why I said exactly that in my post. Planning stuff ahead is extra work. You could do extra work, if it was worth it to you. It probably wouldn’t take much longer than sitting in a drive through around dinner time. But the fact that you have to devote some mental energy to it ahead of time makes it extra work. If it’s not worth it, it’s not worth it. Such is life.

  82. tunamelt:

    I still have one fish stick dinner or at worse take home filet o fish at least once during Lent out of nostalgia. The kids do not understand the glory that was frozen breaded fish for those of us who grew up nowhere near water.

  83. Sherm:

    If you can make a PB and J that has more calories than a McDs burger, I want one of your PB and Js.

    Dude, a McDonalds cheeseburger is only 300 calories. A standard PB&J is surely more. The problem is the quality of the calories. A cheeseburger is not going to satisfy a kid. A kid is gonna want some fries with the burger.

  84. gfy:

    You are a splendid parent and I bet your children are all exceptional.

  85. hmmmm:

    Pollack is only sustainable if you ignore the Chinook runs that that Pollack bycatch is destroying

  86. gmack:

    As a fellow Rochesterian (though largely vegetarian, so fish fries really aren’t my thing), I can say that the overwhelming majority of fish fries around here use haddock. I noticed this because I moved here from Seattle, and I don’t recall people eating haddock much there.

    Oh, and Murc may disagree, but my impression is that the preferred hot dog here is Zweigles.

  87. Tybalt:

    This is a level of disingenuousness that I simply cannot let pass. You don’t think that, for example, you constantly sneer? It’s all over this post, all of three sentences.

  88. Substance McGravitas:

    I’m often baffled by why people are getting upset at Erik. But THIS TIME he’s sneering at the beloved MCDONALD’S! Can’t he see the pinkness of the slime rather than the sliminess of the pink?

  89. jeffery bahr:

    I am a good cook and a bit of a foodie. I LOVE Filet-o-Fishes. Light, crunchy, just the right amount of tartar sauce. This post was just snobbery.

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