Nomenclature
In my latest at the Diplomat I call for a more standardized vocabulary of naval affairs:
Navies do a poor job of developing such a nomenclature, in part because they have good reasons to avoid standardized ship designations. Civilian policymakers don’t like to hear that they’ve devoted a substantial portion of the government treasury to building a buying a light carrier (CVL); they’d prefer to think that they’ve invested state funds in an aircraft carrier comparable to those operated by the United States. On the other hand, the terms “aircraft carrier” and “destroyer” can have idiosyncratic negative political implications, pushing navies to refer to ships as “frigates” or “helicopter destroyers.”
Whatever its other merits, the Washington Naval Treaty and its follow up agreements established an international standard for ship types. By defining the terms battleship, aircraft carrier, heavy cruiser, and light cruiser, the treaty system created a warship typology that allowed relatively easy comparison across states. Giving the typology legal and normative substance surely created some odd incentives, including aJapanese effort to build fleet carriers of less than 10,000 tons and a multinational “light cruiser” competition involving ships bristling with 6” guns and displacing in excess of 10,000 tons. Nevertheless, it resulted in a system of de facto standardization, and consequently of defense acquisition transparency.
Warren Jason Street:
November 29th, 2012 at 9:18 pm
This strikes me as a “freedom fries” kind of dilemma.
As in, ridiculous.
Fake Irishman:
November 29th, 2012 at 11:33 pm
Interesting. It reminds me of the old story of how the British Navy managed to smuggle the Invincible class CVLs through a Labor-majority government as “through-deck” cruisers.
Dave:
November 30th, 2012 at 4:00 am
Well, no. Compared to the cat&trap carriers being scrapped and cancelled, the Invincible class weren’t even close. There was no ‘smuggling’ involved, just bullshit.
John F:
November 30th, 2012 at 10:19 am
as in how the Soviets insisted on classifying the Kuznetsov as a “heavy aircraft carrying missile cruiser” rather than an aircraft carrier?
cpinva:
November 30th, 2012 at 12:24 pm
which must have just scared the hell out of everyone, from capitol hill, to the shipbuilders themselves.
transparency is the very last thing wanted, by any of the above, with respect to acquisition, especially if the general public gets wind of such a thing.
merl:
November 30th, 2012 at 4:03 pm
i was on a fast frigate which was commissioned as a destroyer escort, i always wondered why they changed it
para:
November 30th, 2012 at 7:02 pm
John F: Soviet designations were very descriptive, its a Western misconception, that the point was deception. In the case of Kuznetsov the primary purpose of the ship was naval strike against USN CSGs via shipborne AShM, hence the “missile cruiser”. The aircraft carried were meant primarily to protect the ship, ie engaging incoming enemy fighters. In fact this characteristic is pointed out today as a major shortcoming of the Chinese carrier, as the design generates very low sortie rates, and AC carried cannot carry significant loads, as necessary for surface strike missions or any kind of stand-off ops. Kuznetsov really is more of a surface combatant than anything else.
Pseudonym:
December 2nd, 2012 at 4:01 am
Do you really think nomenclature is a big enough issue to warrant this kind of naval-gazing?
Nathan of Perth:
December 3rd, 2012 at 8:54 pm
Nonetheless, they were designated as cruisers in large part because anything that smelled of “aircraft carrier” was getting the axe as a part of the change in defence priorities (and the mad visisons of the future of guided missiles of the currents heads).
Nathan of Perth:
December 3rd, 2012 at 8:55 pm
It really was the failing of the design – trying to be too much at once. The missile nests rather restricted hanger space from what I recall, in addition to a number of other drawbacks. I don’t know to what extent the Chinese modified that part of the design.
Pseudonym:
December 3rd, 2012 at 10:36 pm
Oh come on, there has to be someone out there who found this at least mildly clever.