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Shorter Bill James: Of course Joe Paterno bears no responsibility for the cover up of Jerry Sandusky’s crimes — he retired retroactively in 1997.
I also want to declare Tom Glavine as retroactively having retired before September 2007. Can we work on a retroactive retirement for Antonin Scalia too?
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So is that the Romney Defense, or does that mean that Romney is using the Paterno Defense?
You can bet that Romney will be collecting the royalties.
Where’s the actual Bill James link?
OK, I found it.
Fixorated in any case.
Awesome. Thanks.
What the actual fuck is Bill James talking about when he says it used to be common for grown men to shower with boys?
And even if that were true, McQueary didn’t just see them showering together. He was clearly under the impression that something more was happening.
I haven’t done the counting yet but I’m pretty sure that 2001 and 1998 weren’t quite 40 years ago anyway.
Maybe he was thinking of ancient Greece?
The operative words here are men (plural) and boys (plural).
Yes. That was pretty much the arrangement at municipal pools in the seventies, anyway. That didn’t include one adult male showering with one boy that he wasn’t the parent or guardian of in a locker room late at night with the outer door locked.
Eric, I believe that james is talking about 1998, not 2001.
Well surely 2001 is relevant, no?
James’s arguments on this subject are far from the most important thing, but I wonder if there is anyone that man trusts and respects who can tell him as a friend that he is making an idiot(and worse) out of himself? Neyer, maybe? James’s Rose stuff was silly, his crime book nonsense, and his global warming denialism is dumb, but this is in so many ways just orders of magnitude horrible and he’s doing serious damage to his reputation. Is there any way to get him to stop?
Neyer is defending him.
A quick google search didn’t turn up anything by Neyer on the subject. Do you have context or even links for the defense?
https://twitter.com/robneyer/status/224310591991463938
Yeah, I figured it would be on twitter. It’s a rather tepid defense, though the “the same contrarianism that gives us JoPa apologism gave us sabremetrics, so I’ll take that trade!” is quite groan-worthy.
Yeah, sorry to give the impression that it was a full-throated defense. But it also hardly seems like Neyer is trying to talk some sense into James, either.
Neyer’s a dick anyway.
Climate change denial? Really?
I can’t find the links, which suggests that at least he hasn’t discussed it much and possible even means I’ve imagined it, but I remember a dustup a year or two ago in which he said that there wasn’t enough data to know whether the climate was changing or not.
How the fuck is someone like Bill James in any position to confidently make that determination?
I agree that there shoukd be nothing wrong with a adult masked showering with kids in a lockerrrom after working out, so long as none of the adults is a predator. But this was no simple shower in 1998. Did Bill James bother to read the report? Does he know what he is defending? Does he really think that the following was normal conduct forty years ago?
While in the shower, Sandusky wrapped his hands around the boy’s chest and said, “Iʹm gonna squeeze your guts out.”74 The boy then washed his body and hair.75 Sandusky lifted the boy to “get the soap out of” the boy’s hair, bringing the boy’s feet “up pretty high” near Sandusky’s waist.76 The boy’s back was touching Sandusky’s chest and his feet touched Sandusky’s thigh. 77 The boy felt “weird” and “uncomfortable” during the time in the shower.78
Sandusky brought the boy home around 9:00 p.m. and left. The boy’s mother noticed that her son’s hair was wet and he told her that he had showered with Sandusky. The mother also observed that her son was acting in a way that he did when he was upset about something,79 that he did not sleep well and took another shower the next morning.80
“masked” should be “man”, of course. Damn phone. And thanks for reminding me about Glavine’s last start as a met
I was imagining something involving Batman and Robin.
I guess it isn’t true that college football separates the men from the boys.
Zing!
Well according to Republicans Bush stopped being President around December 2007 (and didn’t become President until September 12th, 2001) so really this is nothing new.
actually, according to republicans, bush only became president on jan. 19, 2009, clinton was president from jan. 2003 through jan. 18, 2009, breaking FDR’s record. as well, it was a democratic majority congress for the same period.
oops! i meant jan. 1993, not 2003, for the beginning of the clinton monarchy.
Oh, Twitter.
Elizabeth Banks @ElizabethBanks
RT @maxhandelman “Retired Retroactively” would be a good name for a cynical, disaffected indie rock band. #retroactively
At least the “tough decision” to remove the halo on Paterno’s mural has been taken. So that’s something.
http://usnews.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2012/07/14/12743438-artist-removes-joe-paternos-halo-from-penn-state-mural?lite
You gotta love that the artist replaced it with a ribbon for abuse victims. Because Joe Paterno may not have been a saint — who among us is? — but one thing he was was dedicated to helping abuse victims.
His motto must have been: You have to make them if you want to help them.
Billy Buckner is about to announce his retroactive retirement from Baseball, after Game 5.
… And Bobby Valentine was never even hired this season!!!
Never thought I’d pine for the days of Grady Little…
You guys have turned into Yankee fans. The sox are in the playoff race despite tons of injuries, a lineup littered with the likes of Ryan Sweeney, Cody Ross, Daniel Nava and Nick Punto, a closer who is a junk balling journeyman from the mexican league, and a rotation whose “aces” (becket and Lester) make Derek jeter look like the most underrated athlete of all time. Yet, you’re complaining about your manager.
Where does James find the time for all this contrarian nonsense? I would have thought his duties as captain of the Sea Shepherd keep him too busy to excuse a decades-long coverup of child rape.
Is he aiming for a job at Slate?
Today, Mets fans might wish CB Bucknor retroactively retired.
And yesterday too when he called valdespin out at first tho safe by at least at least a full stride. The guy is awful year in and year out.
The retroactive retirement of Capt. Joe Hazlewood was cheered throughout Alaska yesterday.
Wait, so if Romney retired retroactively, did he give back the $100k/year that Bain paid him for ‘part-time’ executiving that never happened?