DREAM Through Executive Order
A good decision. An executive order is suboptimal compared to new legislaiton because it can easily be reversed should Obama lose in November, but it’s certainly better than continuing the deportations.
There’s also no question that the decision was motivated in part by political considerations. I continue to believe that this is completely irrelevant in terms of determining how much credit Obama deserves.
And also because of the limited scope of what can be accomplished through executive order. We still so desperately need comprehensive immigration reform to pass Congress.
Still, this is a very good thing.
I think it is also a very good thing that Obama is making this a political fight. I think he can deliver a big political win for the pro-immigrant side, and deliver a big political defeat for the anti-immigrant side, by making this an election issue. It is important for sane immigration policies that the anti-immigration forces take a beating. Good on Obama for making this an election year issue.
It is rare for me to praise President Obama without reservation.
In this, he has my unreserved respect. This was without doubt, the right thing to do. I think it will also prove to have been the smart thing to do.
I don’t know if its more rare for me to praise President Obama or to agree with you.
Whatever the case, I agree.
Buy a lottery ticket.
Yep. Reminds me of LBJ at his best. Bad symbol/role model was Johnson, but (as Philip Roth might have said) when he was good he was very very good.
As a Nixon Baby, I am still a little uneasy about having a POTUS who seems like a decent human person. Sort of new for me. That said, I think I like it.
And no, Jimmy and Bill, you weren’t. No offense.
I’m sure that the 16% of the electorate that’s unemployed (and the much larger percentage who live in a household with someone who’s unemployed) in battle ground states like Ohio, Michigan, Pennsylvania, and Wisconsin will be just tickled pink about the prospect of millions of newly legal competitors for the few remaining jobs.
A political master-stroke is what this is.
Well, OK, maybe it will hurt the Democrats short-term. But surely long-term this will help them, because all of these new citizens will certainly vote Democrat, despite the fact that most of these new voters are anti-abortion, pro-second-amendment, hard-working pro-free-enterprise, anti-gay-rights traditionalists.
Because they’re brown, after all. Don’t all brown people have to vote Democrat?
Isn’t it amazing? Who new that Michigan would be a too-close-to-call battleground state two months ago?
The worm is turning…
Thank you two for that little trip down memory lane.
The Republicans’ talking points from the 2006 Congressional elections are one of my favorite topics, too.
All of which is to say:
BRING.
IT.
ON.
The economy wasn’t bad like this in 2006.
I see you ignored the warning signs from Michigan.
Begging your pardon, but I do not wish to be lifted bodily and hurled into a clump of thorned vegetation.
Who new [sic] that Michigan would be a too-close-to-call battleground state two months ago?
Someday, JenBob will be right about something, but this is not that day.
Most recent polls have it within the margin of error. Rasmussen is an outlier.
Wisconsin, Michigan, Pennsylvania…maybe even New Jersey. Nate Silver says Oregon could even be in play.
Nate Silver says Oregon could even be in play.
Yes, I see Silver says Obama has only an 81% chance of holding Oregon. Wisconsin 83$, Michigan 90%, PA 81%, NJ 91%.
You’re a parody troll fron S,N, aren’t you, Jennie? I mean, nobody can really be this stupid, can they?
Right now.
But it’s getting closer.
Karl Rove is starting wall-to-wall Crossroads GPS ads.
Oh, please don’t spend lots of money to run those ads in New Jersey! It would break my bleeding liberal heart if you did that!
I only hope Republicans don’t realize the massive home-state advantage Mittens has, and spend money in Massachusetts.
Oh, man, would that make me angry. As a liberal.
Doesn’t the thought of large Republican campaign expenditures in New Jersey make you angry?
More fearful than angry. Very very scared.
Yes, nothing terrifies me more than Rove repeating his strategy of 2000, when if the United States had an adequate voting system he would have cost Bush the election by wasting tons of money trying to win California.
Uh, oh, somebody’s masturbating to the Citizens United decision again.
I’m not so sure. Down on the shoulders of the bell curve, y becomes a small number relatively, but still a big number absolutely.
Yep, I fear you are right – Jennie really is this painfully dumb. He looks at a chart that has Mittens losing 4.2 electoral votes since last week’s analysis, and says Mittens is gaining. That is some weapons-grade stupid.
Not just weapons grade, but clear violation of the Geneva accords grade stupid.
New Jersey is in play!
You betcha!
Rasmussen is an outlier? in a grouping of polls where only one had Mitt +1, and the rest have Obama anywhere from +1 to +14? I’ll have some of what you’re having.
You know what’s so interesting about that chart?
The timing of when Obama opens up the big lead he enjoys. It happened in the weeks leading up to the February 29 Republican primary.
The more voters see of Romney, the worse he does.
He doesn’t have a big lead.
The election is too close to call.
You know we can click Mal’s link, right?
There’s one outlier poll, and two polls that have it too close to call.
And don’t bring in any stale polls from April and early May.
The ground is shifting, and Democrats are utterly panicked by the jobs reports and Obama’s failing strategies. Even the Clinton people are jumping ship.
See, he’s not clever enough to notice the second link.
Obama’s losing the PUMAs? Oh no! That’s his base!
Um, you know we can click Mal’s link, right?
Ah. I see you do.
Yes, if you come up with ways to exclude the polls that show Obama with a big lead, the polls show Obama with a small lead.
I guess that means he’s doomed.
8.2%
7.3%
8.5%
7.4%
6.8%
800,000
You are the stupidest fucking person on the internet.
And that statement holds true, even when you consider the fact that Jonah Goldberg is on the internet.
And ugly. Don’t forget ugly.
JenBob’s psyche, helpfully summarized:
Although I agree that this particular troll is at least in close competition for stupidest fucking person on the internet, and that the DREAM-by-executive-order is an unreservedly good thing and will not actually negatively affect the country, I hesitate to use unemployment statistics to demonstrate actual unemployment or underemployment.
BLS’s own definition is anyone who worked 15 hours or more for pay, and excludes the long-term unemployed who may have given up. Seems like we just had a long conversation on the left about the 99ers, which we’ve mostly forgotten now. And you can’t really support a family on 15 hours a week.
That would be “BLS’s own definition of employment…” and “unemployment excludes…”
Jeepers.
BLS’s own definition is anyone who worked 15 hours or more for pay, and excludes the long-term unemployed who may have given up.
While this is true of U-3, U-6 captures those categories.
Right. I knew someone with better Google-fu than me would find that. And those are some ugly numbers, which don’t seem to be coming down as fast as the U-3 numbers.
This site has a handy way to compare the various rates over time.
http://proximityone.com/state_employment.htm
That’s ok; 16 was just a number Pastafarian pulled out of his ass anyway.
Are you familiar with U6 unemployment, Mark F?
Or do people no longer count as people when they’ve been without work for more than 99 weeks?
Do you suppose that this executive order will be used to provide citizenship only to those 800,000 eligible illegals currently in the country, and it won’t be applied to those yet to come? Do you really think that 800,000 number is accurate?
Would you imagine that an easier path to citizenship will encourage more illegal immigration?
But you’re super-scary smart, I’ll grant you that; because you can look up BLS stats that have been cooked beyond usefulness. Good for you, son.
Are you familiar with U6 unemployment, Mark F?
I linked to it, yes. And U-6 is not 16%
Do you really think that 800,000 number is accurate?
Hell no. It will be 80 bajillion people all ready to be recruited by ACORN and become Union Thugs.
The memorandum doesn’t provide anyone with citizenship.
Since the language in the order says that it only applies to people in the country on the day on which it was issued, yes.
More to come?
Do you even knows who this applies to? People who have been here for decades, who served in the military or are in or completed college. There are not waves of people who satisfy that criteria.
You are bashing veterans and kids who have been here since they were 5? WTF did they do to you?
You are bashing veterans and kids who have been here since they were 5? WTF did they do to you?
He’s an asshole.
We already knew that, he is an Annie Outhouse fanboy.
Here’s the thing, Malaclypse: I questioned the political wisdom of this move. And I called those who it affected hard-working and pro-free-enterprise.
No where did I say that these people should be deported.
I’ll drop by again later to see your apology.
Please point out where I bashed veterans and kids by copying and pasting my offending quote, timb.
I’ll wait.
Oh, and by the way: The way you’ve accused Scott Lemieux of sexual depravity and animal cruelty is really beyond the pale.
No, because all immigration policies have zero effect on those who come here illegally.
There is no such thing as a measure which acts as a disincentive for illegal migration other than our economy being in the toilet. It doesn’t matter how many brown people get harassed by officials. You aren’t going to scare them away
Its a bullshit canard taken as an article of faith. As long as our economy is better off than the shithole countries these people came from, they will put up with any inconvenience our democratic system will put in their way.
Considering the act has to do with people already living here for over a decade, your comments are ignorant junk.
Besides, these people are already here. Why does imagine they were not competing anyway? Why does he hate veterans so much?
Because they remind him that he is a chickenshit chicken hawk and make his tiny little weenie shrivel up even more.
Now that’s the sort of cool, reasoned argument that people come here for.
The projection in your comment might be a little less obvious if not for the compensation of a phallic screen name and avatar. This comment isn’t so much an insult as it is a cry for help.
They make medicine for that sort of thing these days, dude. If you’re too embarrassed to go to your doctor, I think you can actually get it online. Best of luck.
You are pretty good at projection yourself. The screen name is my actual name and the “phallic” avatar is a Choctaw ballplayer (I am an anthropologist specializing in Southeastern Indians). Pretty obsessed with dicks aren’t you? Something you share with JenBob.
This is the act of a desperate, desperate man that knows he’s losing the election.
the sheriff is still near.
It should have been passed in Congress.
But bigoted morons don’t really like people who volunteer to serve our nation or work towards becoming productive parts of the workforce.
Aggressive activism — including the threat of not voting — is vindicated once again,
“Lisa, I want to buy your rock.”
No, Obama was responding to Pastahead’s threat. The correlation is clear.
I’m going to start denouncing Barack Obama for not buying his kids birthday presents.
Just you wait until you see the awesome power of my aggressive activism.
I shall be vindicated.
Well, I’ll admit that the aggressive activism of immigrant rights advocates and LGBT activists is only one major reason they’ve gained. The other is that their agendas aren’t opposed by Wall Street and corporate power.
Which is odd, considering the reticence of the two in supporting cheap labor.
I must have missed that major LBGT third-party initiative.
?
It’s the ether, David. It usually kicks in about this long after his original post, when the acid starts to wear off.
What, you’re actually saying that the much-discussed anger and political apathy among Latinos didn’t influence this decision? But downthread, you agree it’s a political decision. I’m so confused.
Of course it’s a political decision–it’s just that you don’t have much of a clue about the politics involved.
the much-discussed anger and political apathy among Latinos = Aggressive activism
I mean, obviously.
Right, because there’s no connection between the anger and the activism. How many times in the last three years have we seen Latinos and immigrants rights activists warn the Obama administration that it risked losing support?
Why do you folks hate activism so much?
What anger? For all of the blather on the internet, no one has ever actually found any polling data to support this thesis.
But even given that, no, merely acting snotty (OMG, yah right, like I’m not right, like that would ever happen) does not show a connection.
Anyway, it isn’t the lack of a connection between anger and activism that’s your main problem. Your main problem is the lack of a connection between activism and the administration’s actions.
Oh, and we don’t have activism. We hate sloppy thinking about activism.
Defining activism down to include press releases doesn’t tell us anything about anything.
there are no bears….
tigers, technically.
To complain that a political leader does something for political reasons is like complaining that fish swim in water. Hell, we live in a constitutional republic–our leaders are supposed to do things for political reasons, otherwise they’re being unresponsive to the people who elect them.
If we imagine a leader who never did things for political reasons, we’re imagining the most unchecked despot in history, one who made Hitler, Stalin and Mao (all of whom were constrained by politics) look like mere pikers.
This election isn’t going to be like 2008.
Even liberals like Christ Matthews, Johnathan Alter, and Juan Williams agree. It’s going to be more like 2000.
Even liberals like Christ [holy fracking sic] Matthews, Johnathan Alter, and Juan Williams agree.
Don’t ever change, Jennie.
The holy spirit proceeds from the Father and from Christ Matthews.
I’ll kick your ass!
No, the Matthewsoque is a heresy!
We love you the way you are.
So stolen?
Can we split the difference? I think it will likely be like 2004: unpopular incumbent gets reelected because challenger is dull and ultimately even a little less popular.
Republicans ALWAYS have the advantage in close elections…
Voter purges only go so far before backfiring, Jennie.
No, each party has an equal chance of winning in close elections. That is the definition of the word close.
No. This time there are drones.
One of whom has clinched the Republican nomination.
+ fucking 1, sir.
Not enough royal jelly to go around.
Democratic margin in 2000: .5 million votes
Democratic margin in 2008: 9.5 million votes.
Average: 5 million votes.
I don’t know. That’s a tough over/under.
I’d suggest the more recent 2010 as a more reasonable baseline for 2012 projections…see, if my math is correct, 2010 is actually closer to 2012 than is both 2000 and 2008. But then, I’m just so damned stooopid. I must be mistaken.
But then, I’m just so damned stooopid.
Wait, is noodle-boy saying that he is JenBob?
No, I’m the stupidest man on the internet, according to someone who actually believes that only 8.2% of the labor force is unemployed.
Fair enough – it can be hard to keep track of which troll is actually stupider. I apologize for the error.
Sadly, I’m pretty sure this guy really does understand so little about politics that he sees midterm and presidential electorates as being the same.
“…in the last three presidential elections, the winning candidate has won a percentage of the popular vote identical to or within 1% of the percentage of the popular vote for the House of Representatives in the election held two years before.”
Now someone should call into question whether the link goes to a right-wing hack site; and they should insult me as stooopid. But whatever you do, don’t address the facts with a reasoned argument.
Gee, I wonder why Barone wouldn’t want to go as far back as 1996 or 1992?
That’s pre-911 thinking.
In 1992, or even 1996, how many people turned to the internet for a large part of their political news and analysis?
That was a different world. It seems more reasonable to me to see a change in the strength of coupling between two variables (midterm congressional popular vote and 2 years’ hence presidential popular vote) as one result of such a dramatic change in the conditions of the system in which they interact, than to see it as random noise.
It comes from the Washington Examiner, which is a rightwing hack site, and Michael Barone, who is a rightwing hack.
It’s also not strictly accurate, as Bush’s 2004 total (50.73%) is slightly more than one full percentage point above 2002 Republican House candidates’ total (49.6%).
But let’s call it close enough. Is it a meaningful trend? What makes it more than a coincidence? Did you know that the Washington Redskins correctly predicted presidential elections right up until they didn’t?
mark f, there’s a difference between independent events (the Redskin’s record and POTUS popular vote) and obviously dependent events (the rebuke of a president’s policies in the midterm, and the vote he receives two years later.)
Is three in a row a trend? I guess that depends on how close the coupling is. 1% (or 1.13%, as you pedantically pointed out) is pretty close.
Yes, because THREE presidential elections makes a trend into a LAW of elections!
So your theory is that a mid-term election is a better predictor of a presidential election than the last presidential election.
Okay.
It was Michael Barone, not me, and I don’t think he characterized it as a sweeping theory, as much as an observation.
I’m pretty sure that the 2010 midterms were the result of something more than reduced turnout because the voters didn’t consider congressional elections important enough to get off the sofa. Maybe you’ve forgotten the vociferousness of the popular uprising that resulted from the Democrats’ ramming through Obamacare.
The Democrats lost 69 seats, the largest loss in 70 years.
Clinton also lost seats in his first midterm; but then the Republican congress forced Clinton’s pivot to the right that saved Clinton’s presidency. We’ve seen no such pivot from Obama.
So, yeah, I think Barone has a point.
Vociferous, but not especially popular.
2010 Republican House candidates received 15.3 million fewer votes than John McCain received in 2008.
Is Obama up for Senator or Representative this year?
I look forward to the winger arguments about how prosecutorial discretion violates the separation of powers, and hope they will be as “interesting” as the Broccoli Mandate.
The wait is over.
Opening sentence:
Also, in a few days, guess what gets struck the fuck down?
Obamacare.
in a few days
Dear fucking Cthulhu below, you are so fucking stupid you can’t even read a fucking calendar?
Has to be decided by the end of June.
The wailing, screaming, and crying of liberals will be a site to behold.
Obama spend half of his presidency on that stupid, unconstitutional law, and with a smile the conservatives can strike it down with one fell swoop.
site [sic]
English, motherfucker! Do they speak English in What?
Go take a jump off a bridge, nutpicker.
Poor Jennie – so much anger, so little ability.
“site [sic]”
Maybe anonymous was using a double entendre, in which he implied that much of the wailing, screaming, and crying will be visible right here at this site.
Maybe you don’t give him enough credit.
I understand why you might think that, but actual sentient beings do not.
I like how a conservative second Legislative branch is now cool in right wing land
Not actually true. SCOTUS can delay issuing its opinion; there’s no rule forcing them to issue an opinion this term. They could also decide that cert was improvidently granted and dismiss the case altogether. (Not that I think either outcome is probably; this is more about piling on evidence that you don’t know what the fuck you’re talking about when it comes to pretty much anything.)
Also, in a few days, guess what gets struck the fuck down?
The Saginaw Plaza Hotel?
Do you really think ObamaCare is going to survive?
Not if it’s in the Saginaw Plaza Hotel.
Your President’s signature accomplishment is about the become null and void.
about the [sic] become
Writing clearly is the first step on the long road of learning to think clearly, Jennie.
The Saginaw Plaza Hotel was built in 1979, stupid.
What the hell are you babbling on about?
“Only for concert crowds”
Reviewed March 19, 2006
4 people found this review helpful
My husband and I booked a room for one night to attend a concert across the street. From the looks of things, the hotel was filled with other concert attendees. I can not imagine staying here except to see a show at the event center. Our room was clean with decent beds but in need of an update. A door was broken off the TV armoire and the remote was missing. If you’re going to a concert, I would recommend this hotel, especially if you don’t want to drive afterwards.
Saginaw County Sheriff William L. Federspiel said his agency used the vacant Plaza Hotel & Convention Center at 400 Johnson in downtown Saginaw for police training, including K9 searches and emergency response maneuvers.
The atmosphere, he described as strange, like the previous owners left suddenly and without warning.
Being there reminded Federspiel of the “The Shining,” director Stanley Kubrick’s 1980 thriller based on the 1977 book by Stephen King, he said.
“When I was in there, it must be three almost four weeks ago, it was almost as if someone had just been there and they left,” Federspiel said. “There was still water in the pool, there was still food in the refrigerator, lights were on. It was just very odd.
I thought it was Mitt Romney’s signature accomplishment, are they striking THAT one down too?
Joe and others blowing sunshine up Obama’s ass should remember that Crossroads GPS and the Koch brothers are going to go wall-to-wall in ad spending.
Here’s the latest from Crossroads GPS, going up in Ohio, Virginia, and Michigan:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PdIKr_zX7FE
Pretty riveting.
Shorter Jennie: just wait, my masters will buy this election and banish the scary, scary black man.
Again, the gleefulness of the slobbering on his masters’ boots is what astonishes me.
Indeed. I can see JenBob gleefully anticipating Glorious Victory, and I can see JenBob ignoring or tolerating the massive corruption seeking to ensure that Victory – but celebrating it?
and the hatred for Soros and Buffet
Fucking class traitors. Jen-Bob hates them even harder than his masters hate them, because Jen-Bob so desperately needs the approval of his masters. Dude’s the Gimp.
It is the feverish licking of their taints that gets me.
You want riveting?
“Donot stay here!!!”
Reviewed August 10, 2005
4 people found this review helpful
I have no idea where to start. First of all, this is the worst hotel I have ever stayed at. I will never stay with another Howard Johnson hotel after this. Our room was absolutely disgusting. There was hair in the bed and the bathroom was full of hair on the floor. The toilet was not even cleaned and we didn’t even have any soap. I phoned the front desk about this and they had the nerve to say to me.. “If you don’t like the hotel check out!!!”. I could not believe this. We wanted to leave but could not find another available hotel in Saginaw. We requested another room and that one was the exact same. It is obvious that the rooms are not cleaned properly. I also agree with the last review about the security in this building. Anyone can walk in the back door and be able to wander the hotel without having to pass the front desk. This hotel is not safe, disgusting and has the worst customer service I have ever seen.
If you are staying in Saginaw do not stay here!!
Both tracking polls now have Romney AHEAD:
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2012/president/us/general_election_romney_vs_obama-1171.html
“It’s okay if you are in a jam”
Reviewed November 14, 2005
2 people found this review helpful
I ended up staying here because there were no hotels available for less than $100 in the area that day. Parking is not good. When I got to the room, the main light did not work and one of the lamps didn’t have a bulb. The heat never got warm enough. And the toliet seat was peeling and the toliet had stains in it.
But the room was clean and had a large TV. I would stay here again but only if nothing else was available.
You found two polls that have Romney and Obama within the margin of error? By Jove, Jennie, you are right! New Jersey here you come!
Oh Boy! Real Clear Politics! Why not go get Rasmussen to dust of the abacus and Ouija board?
The unemployment rate in Saginaw is sky-high, and their economy in shambles. And this is after decades of Democrat and Union rule.
“Held prisoner at the Howard Johnson”
Reviewed August 8, 2005
8 people found this review helpful
We have just returned home from a stay at the Saginaw Howard Johnson. This was our first stay with Howard Johnson and due to this trip we will NEVER stay at another HJ hotel. In brief, the hotel itself is unsafe for it’s customers. It is in a very dangerous neighborhood and the hotel has not bothered to invest in simple security measures such as mandnatory room key swipes to enter the hotel doors/elevator/pool area ect. The most frightening part of our stay was when we discovered that the hotel’s idea of security was going into “lock down” in the evenings. We attempted to leave the hotel and we couldn’t get out because all the doors were locked. We had to get someone to unlock the doors. Upon returning we found that we were locked out and had to wait for someone to come and unlock the doors. My husband and I are going to report this activity to the fire department….it is a definite no – no to lock anyone into any building. When a family member asked us where we were staying, they offered their spare bedroom because the didnt want us staying there. They informed us that the area was infested with gang related individuals and that there had been stabbings and gunfire at the club next door to the hotel (the club and hotel share a parking lot as well). We then learned that the hotel actually owned the club. Besides the obvious troubles there, the hotel was very hot, the elevators didn’t work very well, the service was rude and the rooms were not worth more than $40.00. My husband and I couldn’t believe that this experiance ran us $98.00…never again!!!!!
President Obama had a whole lot of nothing to say at his big economy speech. But savor for a moment the fact that what the president said he said in Cleveland, a city that has been following the his basic economic program for decades: It has lots of public-sector spending, powerful unions, redistributive taxation, lots of government management of the economy, very high levels of education spending, etc. By my count, every member of its city council is a Democrat, save one Green. It hasn’t had a Republican mayor since George Voinovich. It is also the nation’s poorest major city except in those years in which it is the nation’s second-poorest big city, behind Detroit. It’s a consistent contender on the most-dangerous list.
Like our investment in Solyndra, Cleveland spends but doesn’t have much to show for it. Its public schools spend about as much per student as it would cost to send them down the street to the tony University School, where 100 percent of the graduates attend a four-year college, many of them as National Merit scholars. But Cleveland’s schools, despite their spending, don’t get University School’s results, or even those of the more modest Benedictine high school, which spends about half what Cleveland’s public schools do and manages to send 96 percent of its graduates to college. Benedictine does this while operating its own busing system, incidentally.
Funny thing about Cleveland: It is every bit the distillation of urban dysfunction that Detroit is, but it doesn’t have Detroit’s mythic status as a lost city. Which means that Cleveland isn’t even all that good at being our crappiest/second-crappiest city. Hell of a backdrop, Mr. President.
So, the only way you can manage to spell is when you cut and paste from NRO?
I’m sure that is just a coincidence.
Good grief, the Ohio secretary of state had better make sure to slash the number of available polling places in Cleveland again, because I suspect that there might be a few voters in the city who would resent being dumped on by some parasitic little shitstain at NRO.
Its public schools spend about as much per student as it would cost to send them down the street to the tony University School, where 100 percent of the graduates attend a four-year college, many of them as National Merit scholars.
That would be an awesome plan if University School (1) were in Cleveland, (2) weren’t private and exclusive, and (3) admitted girls.
Also:
Oh, and
$2.4M works out to $2,762/student, so total per cap costs are from 19,262 to 28,262. So even at the low end, JenBob’s ghostwriter is using McArdle’s calculator.
Yeah, well, why doesn’t Cleveland have an endowment?
and I thought I was well endowed. As I am built for comfort, baby; I ain’t built for speed, but I got everything, ah, a good girl need
You know what’s really easy and cost-effective? Getting good educational results with a self-selected group of academically precocious, motivated kids with educated middle-class parents involved in the process. You know what’s not so easy or so cheap? Trying to be society’s patch on a whole disfunctional society in the form of thirty hormonal teenagers without stability, good role models, or home environments friendly to academic attainment.
I did quite well in school, and (up to a certain point) my progress would have been nearly as good if my teachers had been replaced with cardboard cutouts. But then, I had two parents with graduate degrees, a house full of books, very little television, an expectation of education, and family support in meeting that expectation. People like me – and I suspect most people who habituate political blogs – aren’t really the issue when it comes to education policy.
The White House decision to enact the DREAM Act through executive fiat is a lawless act. This isn’t even about immigration; it’s about the Constitution. I have repeatedly written that something like DREAM has much to recommend it, though it would need to be very different from the current iteration, which has been voted down in Congress several times. I understand that Senator Marco Rubio has finally put together a final version of his alternative bill and that Senators Kyl and Hutchison have signed on — from my discussions with his staff, I probably won’t like what he’s come up with, but unless there are typos in my version of Article I of the Constitution, that’s the way lawmaking is supposed work. For all the administration’s pious denials that this measure “confers no substantive right” and “only the Congress, acting through its legislative authority, can confer these rights”, they’re lying. The illegal immigrants in question will receive two-year renewable permits to live legally in the United States and an Employment Authorization Document — that, in plain terms, is what we call “amnesty”.
Any DREAM Act supporter who applauds this measure has forfeited any right to complain about future usurpation of the Constitution. Even backers of DREAM in Congress have a responsibility to deny funding to DHS to carry out this policy.
I see your copypasta, and raise you this helpful video.
Fucking Executive Branch authority, how does it work?
It depends on whether it’s your guy or the other guy who’s in power, of course.
Even if it is, SFW?
The only reason why amnesties are even implemented now and then is because nobody wants to bother addressing substantive flaws in our immigration system. Sorry Sparky, “catch and deport” is not a policy. Its wanking off nativists for political gain.
Thanks to nativist morons our employment visa system is entirely messed up and prone to exploitation and abuse. (25% of the illegal population are people who came here legally overstayed expired work visas)
Any DREAM opponent should try to prove to people they know a damn thing about our immigration laws before they start caterwauling about the government being too nice to illegal aliens.
I’m with Anonymous. Although the Saginaw Plaza definitely needs to be struck down, I’m not exactly thrilled with Democrats and unions replacing it with another parking lot. The notion that more parking lots are what downtowns need most is a frequent leftist error, according to zoning libertarian Matthew Yglesias.
WTH? Parking lots? Leftists? What’s the connection?
Atrios.
I might be more worried if the Republicans weren’t throwing their weight behind a charisma-free robot who lies and flip-flops constantly and who has a mad fetish for chewing on his own shoe-leather.
Not that there are many likeable Republicans nowadays, but Romney kinda takes the cake.
One of several. So, immigrants can go along with gays, women, those who need health care, et. al. as those who’s lives are better in part because he is in the White House.
It’s very sad that when I checked LGM after getting home from work and saw a hundred-plus comment thread involving immigration AND the politics of a Presidential race, I knew that JenBob would be responsible for about two-thirds of them.
Can we go back to the days when enormous threads were the fault of joe, jeer9, and the davids minzer and neirporent? I kind of miss those days.
What, no love for a brad potts thread?
I didn’t find the old-school Brad threads nearly as enjoyable because you and the Doctors would always beat me to the best cutting remarks and/or factual beatdowns, Mal. It’s not as much fun if I can’t participate!
Come on! I’m doing my best with brad and neirporent over broccoli! Where’s the love!?
And a fine job you are doing, btw. You have patience.
I think you’ll find that that patients is merely a disingenuous form of arrogance mwah ha ha ha!
(Thanks! All due credit to the proposal I should be writing instead!)
Patience…not orthographic aptitude!
Should have pretended “patients” on porpoise!
And free ride? Disingenuously?!???
Heaven forefend!
Well, for all intensive purposes, you might have done it intentionally. You were incentivized, after all.
Have to say JenBob has herself in a real tither over Obama letting all those scary brown people stay. She must have gone through 3 cases of Depends just in this one thread alone. PastaBoy, on the other hand, is wearing his magic StormFront undies and knows he is invincible (to logic, facts, or reason).
Doctor, I reserve my StormFront underwear for special occasions. At the moment, if you must know, I’m sporting a stained pair of underoos that I found under the fold-out bed in the Plaza Hotel in Saginaw, Michigan.
As for logic, facts, and reason:
“Because they remind him that he is a chickenshit chicken hawk and make his tiny little weenie shrivel up even more.”
Do you mean like that? Or do you mean:
“It is the feverish licking of their taints that gets me.”
Again, for the malady apparent from the projection in your first comment (and corroborated by the compensation of your phallic screen name and avatar), you might want to consult your physician, and ask him if Cialis is right for you.
As for your second admission: I’m pretty sure that there are plenty of sites out there that will allow you to indulge your fetish of ‘feverish licking of taints.’ tmi, dude.
When you say something remotely grounded in reality and subject to logic or reason, I will respond in kind. As long as you continue engaging in shoveling bullshit, I will continue to deride and ridicule you.
Does anyone have a source for estimates on how many people will be affected by the executive order? Their ages, etc?
Up to 800,000 people is the estimate.
The memorandum itself applies the directive to 1) people age 30 and under who 2) were brought here at age 15 or below.
“a Department of Homeland Security directive” some are saying [e.g., Chris Hayes] is not really the same thing as an “executive order”
The results of concerted pressure by gay rights groups: movement on DOMA and DADT and “evolution” on same sex marriage. The results of recent publicly expressed and widely discussed dissatisfaction of Hispanics with the administration: the recent executive order. It’s weird, like if you complain about not getting what you want and exert pressure to get it instead of rationalizing the failures of your “leaders” as The Best They Could Do, you get results. That can’t be right, can it?
I recall it be noted that Obama told people on the left to pressure him. That’s a value of activist groups. They pressure the center and the result is movement in the right direction from time to time.
This doesn’t mean that suddenly nirvana will come, this itself (as the OP notes) an imperfect solution unlike if the DREAM Act was passed. It was not — it was filibustered. The imperfection is explained, not merely “rationalized,” by noting the reality of the situation. This is the “Reality Based Community” in action.