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Not that we should be surprised that Jim DeMint is calling for nullification of the health care law.

“I urge every governor to stop implementing the health care exchanges that would help implement the harmful effects of this misguided law. Americans have loudly rejected this federal takeover of health care, and governors should join with the people and reject its implementation.”

I wonder what else DeMint would like states to nullify….

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  • i am reminded, not for the first time, that the biggest mistake in american history was letting the confederate states back in after the civil war.

    • newsouthzach

      I think we just need to get Zombie Sherman back in there to teach them a little lesson. Seems it didn’t take the first time around…

    • DivGuy

      And what exactly do you propose that the no-longer-freed slaves would do?

      • howard

        well divguy, we’ll start with your point and then i’ll make a broader one: what happened to the ex-slaves anyhow? what did we do for them when we let the south back in? did we provide 40 acres and a mule? did we maintain a reconstruction oversight long enough to prevent the same social, wealth, and power patterns that had existed being re-established? allowing the south back in didn’t do a damn thing for the ex-slaves, so i don’t see how not allowing them back in could have made things worse.

        my broader argument is thus implied: if, in fact, we had treated the southern states like traitors and maintained a true program of reconstruction, complete with 40 acres and a mule reparations to the ex-slaves, then yes, it made sense to allow the southern states back in.

        but it’s perfectly clear that there was no public stomach for that program, which is why it was fought off, and given that i know that, i’d rather have seen two countries emerge.

        and of course the one that didn’t suffer the burden of southern control of the legislative process would have become a more humane, progressive, better society without that deadweight, and my guess, in fact, is that we’d have seen a stronger northern migration as a result (in terms of what happens to the ex-slaves the next generation or two).

  • JMG

    Isn’t that sedition? Why not haul the clown out of the Senate chamber for a quick jet to Gitmo?

    • It’s only sedition if liberals do it. If it’s conservatives, it’s patriotism.

  • Lee

    Why can’t these people ever loose gracefully?

    • David Hunt

      Because the Constitution guarantees that they never lose. It’s right there in Article Pi.

      • Steve LaBonne

        But, but, there can’t be an Article Pi, because that would be exactly the same as Article 3! It says so in the Wholly Babble.

        • PhoenixRising

          Silly, Jesus forbade rounding!

        • Simon

          Not only that, but it’s Greek! Now you want foreign law introduced to our pristinely Anglo-Saxon Constitution?!

      • Warren Terra

        Ah, one of the irrational amendments.

        • NonyNony

          In my experience, conservatives more typically like to cite the Imaginary articles. So I’m surprised it’s not in Article i.

          • Lee

            This might explain my problems in Constitutional Law, my professor was using the one with imaginary amendments.

          • dsn

            Or, if the founders were engineers, article j.

        • Craigo

          It’s a shame we never got around to ratifying the eth Amendment.

        • (the other) Davis

          Not just irrational, but transcendental.

    • wengler

      I just can’t take this particular misspelling seriously.

      Loose rhymes with deuce. Lose rhymes with choose.

      • Njorl

        If you’ve ever seen Jim DeMint loose a deuce, you would not call it graceful.

  • David Hunt

    I wonder what else DeMint would like states to nullify…

    I’m sure the list if quite long, but I’m going to lead with Amendments 13, 14, 15, and 19…

    • Civil Rights Act of 1964, Voting Rights Act of 1965….

      • DrDick

        The entire Enlightenment.

  • Josh G.

    My understanding of the ACA is that if states refuse to implement health care exchanges, the federal government will do it for them.
    Frankly, this is probably a better idea anyway, since the states whose governments act this way are exactly the states I wouldn’t trust to handle the exchanges in an honest and competent manner.

    • NonyNony

      Yeah that was my understanding too.

      Frankly, given how many corrupt state legislatures and executive branches there seem to be, having the Feds run your exchange might not be a terrible thing at all. At least if there’s corruption it becomes a national story and there’s a chance someone will do something about it.

    • catclub

      Funny point: By a quirk, Mississippi is actually building its exchanges and their mechanism, while
      some other ‘we are wacko’ states are not.

  • Devin McCullen

    God, I hate to defend this idiot, but is this really a call for nullification? I’ve heard lots of times that if states don’t set up their own health exchange, it just means the people there would have to use a federal one.

    DeMint probably would call for states to nullify the law, but I don’t think he’s figured out how to do so yet.

    • wengler

      And the real danger has been the lack of calling for Obama’s impeachment. Come on Republicans. You impeached the last Democratic President. Where is the ambition?

      • IM

        Roberts has to be impeached first.

        • catclub

          Will Roberts get to preside at his impeachment trial in the Senate?

    • Cody

      I assume he’s just doing what he usually does – claiming that the States don’t need federal help while demanding the federal government pay for and do everything his State doesn’t want to.

  • hrsn

    I read Andrew Jackson’s “Proclamation to the People of South Carolina” this morning. I wish Old Hickory would climb out of his grave and challenge DeMint to a duel.

    • rea

      Andrew Jackson was a murderous old bastard, but sometimes that’s just what you need.

  • Davis X. Machina

    Unless I’m mistaken, that’s “John C. Calhoon, of COLONIAL HEIGHTS, VIRGINIA”

    Check out the latest comment in the prior thread.

    • Njorl

      golf clap

  • Rick Venema

    This seems to be the only proper course to secure our liberties. When the federal government oversteps its bounds, it is up to the states to reign in the federal leviathan.

    Many states will simply refuse to comply with this tyrannical act.

    Rick Venema
    COLONIAL HEIGHTS, VIRGINIA

    • Craigo

      And when they refuse to comply, the federal government will step in and do it for them.

      Because fuck the Confederacy.

    • NonyNony

      You do understand that if the states don’t create an exchange the Feds will create one for them? That if your state doesn’t participate you don’t get “no exchange” but instead your state is abdicating its ability to create its own exchange?

      Frankly I think for many states this would be a better option than leaving it up to their state legislators and their governors. For example – how much money do we think that Rick Scott will end up making off of Florida’s implementation of health care exchanges? I’d almost prefer him to take a “principled stance” and tell the Feds to do it themselves – it’ll probably save the people of Florida a ton of money.

    • DrDick

      Never studied the Civil war or the Constitution, did you? There is this thing in the latter about the supremacy of federal law. The states cannot constitutionally block enforcement of federal law.

    • wengler

      Get out your gray uniform, brother! It’s time to lose another war!

      • Malaclypse

        Rick Venema of COLONIAL HEIGHTS, VIRGINIA will be fighting from his keyboard. He’ll be using his wits to fight.

        • The Caps Lock button is his secret weapon

        • DrDick

          He’ll be using his wits to fight.

          Yet another losing Southern strategy.

    • Boudleaux

      Tyrannical? What happened — did the President launch an entirely fraudulent war by lying to the people and the Congress? Decide he can freely break the law, torture people, and imprison people without charges? That he can read your mail without a warrant? Oh wait — maybe he created “free speech zones” so that you could only say nice things about him when you are close by.

      You know, I’m starting to question your definition of tyranny.

    • Sherm

      Ricky, I assure you that people cannot be persuaded with mere adjectives. Please provide us with the underlying facts showing how the act is “tyrannical.”

      • Ramon A. Clef

        It is “tyranny” only in the connotative sense, which seems to be the only communicative channel the right uses. It means “that which I do not like, and which I do not like very, very much.”

        • Ramon A. Clef

          Ugh. For “communicative,” please read, “communication.” I’m not sure what my fingers were up to there.

        • Sherm

          Yeah, and I’m willing to bet that Rick Venema is completely ignorant as to how “Obamacare” actually works and that he’s a cranky old fool on medicare who is too stupid to recognize his own hypocrisy.

    • Mr_Paul

      Uh huh. When those states choose to “secure their liberties” then a hurricane / earthquake rips them a new one, they’ll most definitely remember their STATE’S RIGHTS, deal?

    • Mike

      What is is with the all caps in listing your location? Is this a new internet tradition? Is Vanderleun aware of it?

      Mike
      WALTHAM, MASSACHUSETTS

  • btmom

    And now that the conservative-majority Supreme Court has ruled that it was not an overstepping of bounds, you are appointing yourself the arbiter of what the bounds are? What are your credentials?

  • Surreal American

    Your side lost in 1865. Get. Over. It.

    • Surreal American

      Meant as a reply to RV.

    • wengler

      I think they won it back in the 1920s.

      And then perhaps lost it again in the 1990s.

  • Hmmm. If Obama threatens to hang DeMint from the nearest tree, what will happen?

    • Cody

      He’ll back called a racist, probably by people in the KKK.

  • Wait, he wants them to stand on their hind legs like a bunch of Rory Calhoun,s?

  • ploeg

    Perhaps an investigation into the feasibility of nationalizing Medicaid would be in order.

  • Quincy

    The is the same DeMint who, when he endorsed Romney in 2007, said:

    “He has demonstrated, when he stepped into government in a very difficult state, that he could work in a difficult partisan environment, take some good conservative ideas, like private health insurance, and apply them to the need to have everyone insured. Those kind of ideas show an ability to bring people together that we haven’t seen in national politics for a while. We don’t need the nation to be more polarized.”

    Then again, Romney had the good sense to be white.

  • Rick Venema

    For all the abuse and vitriol liberals aim at the South, I can’t help but notice how many former New Englanders are moving to where I live. There are now two on my street alone.

    Hopefully they will remember why they left and not vote to turn Virginia into another Massachusetts or Vermont.

    Rick Venema
    COLONIAL HEIGHTS, VIRGINIA

    • Anonymous

      Cheap real estate and low cost of living is always going to be a draw, even when your next-door neighbors are assholes.

      • Malaclypse

        That’s what New Hampshire is for.

    • rea

      “Dismiss from your mind all sectional feeling, and bring [your children] up to be Americans.”–Robert E. Lee, 1866.

      He was a better man than you.

    • wengler

      Why do you hate Vermont? They have the loosest gun laws in the nation.

      Why do you hate the Second Amendment?

      • Anonymous

        Also, Vermont is the whitest state in the nation. You’d think he’d like that.

    • Cody

      If you’re already wealthy, move into the southern states is a great idea. Otherwise, you may have trouble with the law when you try to trample on the lower classes.

      • And I have now learned that “two” is “A fair number of”

    • Thanks for the data anecdote!

    • Surreal American

      The South is a wonderful region with a lot of great people living there.

      It’s Confederate scumbags like you that can go forth and fornicate themselves.

    • Mr_Paul

      I knew plenty of bigoted assholes in New England who hadn’t made it your way yet. Your point being?

    • somethingblue

      There goes the neighborhood …

    • (the other) Davis

      Yes, because Massachusetts is such a shithole.

    • Howlin Wolfe

      a whole 2, Ricky? That’s not just anecdote IT’S DATAS!!!

    • Njorl

      They probably got federal government jobs.

    • jefft452

      “I can’t help but notice how many former New Englanders are moving to where I live”

      More people live in NYC alone than in all of Virginia, NYC has more people than Mississippi and Alabama combined

      “Hopefully they will remember why they left and not vote to turn Virginia into another Massachusetts or Vermont”

      Virginia and North Carolina, once part of the “solid south” of reliably conservative votes, are now classified as swing states

      • Holden Pattern

        Hopefully they will remember why they left and not vote to turn Virginia into another Massachusetts or Vermont.

        Well, they could drive up housing costs. But I’m guessing they won’t be able to make it colder.

  • Cody

    Didn’t Republicans -just- declare that people in politics need to respect the Supreme Court’s decision? That accusations of judicial activism by Liberals was very inappropriate?

    It took less than a month for them to do a complete 180 and remind us that they HATE the supreme court and have no obligation to respect it!

    • That’s just how they roll

    • John F

      not a month, not even a day, about 10 fecking minutes to do that 180

    • Joshua

      A month?

      Glenn Reynolds wrote that editorial on like, Tuesday.

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