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CISPA: Still Unsupportable

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I wrote recently about the proposed Cyber Intelligence Sharing and Protection Act, which in most of its proposed forms posed a serious threat to privacy. The bad news is that 1)it passed the House 2)in a form that, if anything, is even worse.

…a chance for Obama to follow through on a veto threat.

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  • JoyfulA

    The Nice part is that the president says it will be vetoed.

    • c u n d gulag

      Yes, that’s true.
      For now…

      But we might as well face it, sometime in the near future (aka, the next we have a R President with a R Congress), privacy will be as dead as the telegram, as extinct as the dodo.

    • BradP

      His opposition is based on this:

      1) Private companies who cannot be sued lose incentive to protect private financial data.

      2) The Department of Homeland Security is not involved and should be intimately involved. As the release says:

      Industry would develop these standards collaboratively with theDepartment of Homeland Security. Voluntary measures alone are insufficient responses to thegrowing danger of cyber threats.

      So we have two possibilities:

      A) The republican ideal providing corporations to violate copyright law in order to make them more able to work with the government in prosecuting “cybersecurity threats”.

      B) The democratic ideal of skipping the middle man and having the Department of Homeland Security “collaborate” with industry on a involuntary basis. Apparently because internet companies wouldn’t actually protect their revenue streams by protecting private financial data.

  • soullite

    Yeah, but you’ll still support all the politicians that support it, so this is pretty much just you jerking off.

    • c u n d gulag

      Yes, just ask “Red Dog” Democratic (I call them that, ’cause there ain’t nothin’ blue about ’em) Rep’s Jason Altmire and Tim Holden, who were defeated in Democratic primaries, about all of that support and how it worked out for them.

      DOWN GOES PA’s “FRACKING”stein!

      • BradP

        Since when did it become bad to demand universal, fair treatment by the government.

        And since when did it become reactionary to be pissed when two percent of the country makes it extracting what they can from the rest of us?

        • rea

          two percent of the country makes it extracting what they can from the rest of us

          Context, BradP, context. Soulite was talking about civil rights when he said that.

        • Read the linked comments. Soullite is pissed not at “two percent of the country … extracting what they can from the rest of us,” but at the 2% of the country who will have their lives improved if DOMA goes away. He is a fucking whiny reactionary misogynist piece of shit who has a long history of caring about nobody and nothing who is not him. He is doing the exact opposite of “demand[ing] universal, fair treatment by the government.” Fuck him.

          • BradP

            Wow. The possibility of him making that sort of comment in that context didn’t even register with me.

            I don’t think I have seen a conservative make an argument over gay marriage that is simultaneously so dumb and so reprehensible.

            And to soullite, this society may be sending itself down the shitter at an alarming rate, but you still live in a country where the majority of people are not net victims. We try to stand up for the folks at the margins in large part to keep it that way.

            In other words, your problems are most likely your own damn fault, which is absolutely not the case for homosexuals who wish to gain the legal rights and privileges of marriage.

            • I don’t think I have seen a conservative make an argument over gay marriage that is simultaneously so dumb and so reprehensible.

              And the part that you have missed, the part where irony is begging someone, anyone, to put it out of its misery, is that soullite self-identifies not as a conservative, but as the only genuine leftist around.

            • We try to stand up for the folks at the margins in large part to keep it that way.

              Also, this is why you are a way better person than most libertarians. We’ll make a leftist out of you yet ;-)

              • njorl

                I’ve asked my congressman to pass a bill to force him to stop being a libertarian – for his own good.

              • BradP

                Also, this is why you are a way better person than most libertarians. We’ll make a leftist out of you yet ;-)

                Haha.

                The feeling is mutual, just replace “libertarians” with “statists” and “leftist” with “libertarian”.

                I understand the feeling you guys get from libertarians, and nothing would please me more than libertarians focusing on what government policies create a need for social welfare programs rather than the welfare programs themselves.

                But, despite what DrDick may repeat over and over and over and over and over, presumably into perpetuity, if you stay away from the more vulgar libertarians, libertarianism is valuable even to many progressive aims.

                • I do stay away from the vulgar libertarians. I like you, and Balko, and Henley. But I still think you are all (except perhaps Henley, who does not seem to identify as a libertarian any more) are all mistaken about what the results of libertarianism would be.

                • BradP

                  I do stay away from the vulgar libertarians. I like you, and Balko, and Henley. But I still think you are all (except perhaps Henley, who does not seem to identify as a libertarian any more) are all mistaken about what the results of libertarianism would be.

                  To be honest with you, Balko is really good on civil liberties issues, but I am not too familiar with his economic stances.

                  But in my defense, you can’t really take my libertarianism out of the context of my near primitivism and anarchistic views of hierarchy.

                  My libertarianism calls for social change before political change.

                • DrDick

                  If you stay away from the “vulgar libertarians”, you are left with a vanishingly small pool of reasonably sane people. I do generally put you in that category FWIW and agree with Mal’s assessment.

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