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Hey, I’m a long-time Doug Flutie fan too. So before anybody in our comments section compares Tim Tebow to Flutie again, there should be evidence that he’s better than JaMarcus Russell first.

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  • Ronnie P

    No offense, but Tebow hating is becoming a bit tiresome. I mean, everybody’s doing it now.

    • elm

      Yes, I agree, please write more about subjects I find important or interesting rather than subjects that you find important or interesting.

      • Ronnie P

        That would be nice.

    • c u n d gulag

      Granted, but there’s a lot there not to like.

      Make the kid a Tight End – then he can do his Tebow-prayer routine after he does something useful, like scoring a touchdown.

      The day’s coming soon where he’ll be doing his Tebow-prayer after something equally rare – a completion.

      Also, too – from TBogg:

      • Tebo gettin’ Tebowed. Good on the mothersacker.

        • Joseph Slater

          As a long-time (and long-suffering) Detroit Lions fan, and Tebow-hater of more recent vintage, I thought that was hilarious.

    • How about we start an Internet tradition that makes “Tebow” an adjective or verb?

      We could make it apply to something that, based on outward appearances ought to have been a slam dunk but because of core incompetencies, was an absolute disaster.

      “Boy, that Palin really Tebowed her chances at the nomination!”

    • Furious Jorge

      But as an FSU alum, I’ve been doing it for so long that I couldn’t imagine a life without it.

  • wsn

    What I don’t get is why Denver fans ever thought he was going to be anything other than what he is.

    • Scott Lemieux

      I think part of it — and it’s not just Denver fans — is that at the pro level people greatly overate raw athleticism. He can run and he has a fairly strong arm, so people fool themselves into thinking that his inability to throw accurately or read defenses is something that can be fixed. It’s like the baseball organizations who are convinced that if a guy can run or throw you can teach him to hit.

      • Though of course with Tebow it is about so much more than raw athleticism–it’s about his evangelical Christianity that he so openly displays. Combine that with the fellation he received from college football announcers for 4 years and the fact that he played on a national championship team and you have a perfect storm.

        • Ronnie P

          The college stuff is big. A lot of people don’t seem to understand that none of the “winners” in the NFL won much in college (Brady, Roethlisberger, Aikman, Elway, Tee Martin).

          But it seems to me, that most people get that now. Tebow has had doubters since day one in the NFL. That’s my beef with these posts: they don’t seem to recognize that Tebow-bashing is the norm.

          • AAB

            I think Erik has it right actually. It’s 20% “he won a Heisman and two national championships at Florida” and 80% “I want him to date my daughter.”

          • efgoldman

            Wait. Tee Martin? In the same list with Elway, Brady, Aikman and Rapistburger?
            You just wanted to see if we were paying attention, didn’t you?

            • Bill Murray

              Tee won Peyton’s national championship

        • H-Bob

          From the Denver sports page letters, it appears the man-crushes result from his Xtianity. That creates the attendent blather about his “character”, “intangibles”, “inspiration”, etc.

          Danny Wuerffel never got this adulation!

        • Furious Jorge

          Gary Danielson used to make his wife wear a #15 Gators jersey to bed.

          It’s true, I swear!

        • hype

          There was also big talk about Tebow’s intangibles. Commentators were required to use ‘he is just a winner’ if they said more than two sentences about Tblow.

      • Passing technique is not the same thing as hitting. You actually can coach up the former, especially among someone who’s never had intensive coaching on that front, while hitting is much more about innate ability.

        • Walt

          I suspect that a big part of it is just practice from a very early age, so that it’s already instinctual.

          • That’s a big part of it, and Tebow has had that all his life, and has been riding that all the way through college.

            But there’s another part to it – a disciplined technique – and someone like Tebow is able to succeed while ignoring that part of being a passer and still succeed up to the highest levels of college ball.

            But you need that in the pro game, no matter how much raw ability and arm strength you might have.

            • mark f

              Yup. People forget that even at the SEC level most of the starters have no shot at making the NFL.

        • You can’t coach passing technique after a certain age (say, high school). After that, the kid’s on his own. You can refine technique, make his footwork a little quicker maybe, or alter his release point, but if the kid throws dead quails, the best you can hope for is a slightly lighter dead bird.

        • Bill Murray

          so he went to a big time college for 4 years and is in his second year in the pros, and he’s never had intensive coaching on his passing technique, despite this being a known problem of his since at least his sophomore year of college?

          • Scott Lemieux

            I’m also not convinced by these implicit arguments that Urban Meyer is a yutz. Seems like a pretty good coach to me, and I’m not all that convinced he was leaving a lot of Tebow’s ability on the table.

            • H-Bob

              Don’t be so quick on judging Urban Meyer — his other star quarterback was Alex Smith !

            • It doesn’t make a coach a yutz to let someone with Tebow’s athleticism and raw talent do his thing at the college level. That type of QB play can win you championships at that level.

              • Furious Jorge

                Yes. If Tebow was getting the job done for Meyer, it really wasn’t the coach’s primary responsibility to get him ready for pro football. Meyer’s job was to win championships for Florida. Which he did.

              • Big Al

                Agreed that Tebow was critical, but let me add that Florida was absolutely stacked with quality athletes on both side of the ball – Tebow was just the straw that stirred the drink.

            • Urban Meyer is a genius who excelled at every level- like for once a coach seemed to earn every single promotion instead of just hiring the same guys that constantly don’t excel as much.

          • so he went to a big time college for 4 years and is in his second year in the pros, and he’s never had intensive coaching on his passing technique, despite this being a known problem of his since at least his sophomore year of college?

            He was good enough – beyond good enough – based on raw talent and athleticism to dominate at the college level. Why would his coaches bother to break him down?

            As for the pros…well…it’s the Broncos. Who knows, man?

  • The only thing about that Williamson article that bothers me is that it’s clear that Elway and Fox have already moved on. They never wanted Tebow in the first place. They are starting Tebow because they were facing open revolt from their own fans. The end of the article finally gets at it–they have to play Tebow and let him show everyone that he is terrible before they can move on with their own fans.

    I would also like to commend Josh McDaniels’ drafting strategies. Having 5 first round picks in 2 years that result in no good players (unless you think Demaryius Thomas might turn into something still) is pretty impressive. Perhaps teams should not give their entire franchises over a guy whose entire qualifications consist of being an assistant for Bill Belichick.

    • Joseph Slater

      All true, but McDaniels still needs to stand behind Matt Millen in the “doing the worst with lots of high draft picks” line.

  • witless chum

    Tebus wasn’t really given a lot of chances on Sunday.

    My Lions were all over him and the offense seemed to be predicated on him throwing downfield. He was actually more accurate than I thought he’d be, not having seen the guy play in the pros. John Lynch was screaming for Broncos to give him some short, spread offense style passing, which would have at least kept the Lions defensive ends from stealing the ball from him.

    As a Lions fan, I’ve seen some bad quarterbacking, but I’m not ready to run Tebow out of town. I think that’s a bad team with whoever at QB, so they might as well give Tebow the snaps and see if he can show something rather than going 5-11 or so with a decent veteran like Orton. Again, as a Lions fan, I think sometimes your team is just bad and there is no right answer at QB. I’m not really a Tebow believer, but they might as well let him finish out the year and see if he can show something. I certainly think it’s more likely Tebow’s combo of skills can add up to an NFL starter than it is that Brady Quinn is the guy.

    Did Josh McDaniels Marrinelli the hell out of that team, or are they not as bad as I think after just watching them on Sunday? They seem more talented than the 0-16 Lions team that was essentially Calvin Johnson and some guys, but I’m not sure how many would start for Detroit.

    Moreno and McGahee, obvs. given Best’s injury probs.
    Champ is a lock, Ryan Clady seems like one too.
    Von Miller or D.J. Williams at OLB, probably.
    Eric Decker, maybe.
    That DE whose name is escaping me seems like he’s a somebody.

    • Uh,he wasn’t “more accurate than I thought he’d be”; the defense eased up as the second half progressed.

      Look at his first-half stats; that his final QB rating was 0.6 higher than the Broncos backup who went 1-2 is a tribute to the late decision to avoid injury at the end of a blowout.

      • witless chum

        I, personally, expected him too be worse than he was, trying to throw in the NFL.

    • How much is Tebow calling his own shots and how much is the coach dialing them in?

      Because the highlights I saw, if that was me in the pocket, I’d have audibled screens all the live long day.

      They stuffed the run, they stuffed the QB scramble. They had my receivers handcuffed. It looked like the Lions had the scheme figured out after the first series (which Denver did score on, to their credit).

      • RhZ

        It was, after all, the Broncos.

        When a team is bad, everyone looks bad, or almost everyone.

        If they had a running game (and I freely admit I know nothing about the Broncs these days) then Tebow would have looked much better.

        If they had a line that could protect him, he would look better, too.

        Not to defend him, I am perfectly prepared to see him bounce around the league for several years before retiring at age 27. Like, say, Tim Couch.

    • Joseph Slater

      As a long-time Lions fan, LOL at “Marrinelli” as a verb.

      • witless chum

        I was irked at Marrinelli all over again on Sunday by seeing Andre Goodman starting for Denver. Goodman’s no world-beater, but he’s started in the league since Rod showed him the door to replace him with some superannuated former Buc who knew the system.

  • CJColucci

    It’s always tempting to think that there has to be some way of winning long-term with these players who have unusual and sometimes awesome combinations of talents that don’t quite add up to an NFL quarterback as the position is generally understood. People who know a lot more about football than I do have tried and failed. I predicted long ago that Tebow would repeat the pattern. To be fair, I made a similar prediction about Cam Newton, and I may be wrong about him.

    • H-Bob

      That is an interesting point. I thought Tebow would have problems because the NFL coaches don’t know how to use his talents effectively. Most QBs are system players as they succeed or fail based on the offensive system (Orton is a good example). However, Denver fans have been spoiled with QBs who tried to improvise (Elway, Plummer and even Cutler), so the QB who takes the sack or “smartly” throws the ball away is not going to be a Denver fan favorite. That is probably 5% to 10% of Tebow’s allure. It will be interesting to see if Elway can get the fans to accept a QB who plays the opposite way from Elway himself.

    • hype

      The NFL also has a very mixed record of trying to turn super athletes into players at other positions.

  • Comparing the premature dismissal of Tebow to the premature dismissal of Flutie is not the same thing as comparing Tebow and Flutie themselves.

    But it’s good to see Scott moving towards my “let’s see more evidence” position.

    • kth

      The basis for comparison between Tebow and Flutie is that Flutie was an unremarkable journeyman NFL QB with 50-odd career starts over a decade, who nonetheless is inexplicably some kind of legend to his deluded admirers. It isn’t at all that Flutie somehow overcame the naysayers, as Tebow might hope to, because Flutie never did.

      But if anyone can replicate Flutie’s feat of leveraging a lackluster career plus a certain je ne sais quoi into a cult following, surely it’s Tebow.

  • sleepyirv

    I find all of this absolutely insane if Tebow can actually play TE. The brass would have a perfectly reasonable argument that the QB experiment is unnecessary and that it is important to get Tebow prepared for the role he can succeed in. And with a good QB to throw the ball to him, Tebow is going to be a Hall of Famer.

    It’s not like Tebow’s life is over if he has to play TE.

    • Well now, calling Tebow a hall-of-famer at TE is a huge overstatement and gets to what Scott was saying in another comment about overrating athleticism. Yes, he may well make a good TE and yes Denver needs to make that move. But there are a ton of really athletic TEs. And you absolutely cannot correlate athletic success in college to the NFL.

      The other issue here is that Tebow sees himself as a QB and a leader. He has this “I love baby Jesus and am so humble” schtick, but he’s a giant egoist who is so popular with the fans who want him to date their daughter (as someone said in a comment here) that he can actually leverage his college success against NFL executives who know what he needs to do succeed.

      • c u n d gulag

        If I had a daughter, and he started dating her, I’d have to rethink my whole anti-shotgun in the house policy.

        • You could borrow one to clean at opportune moments.

          • sparks

            …and take tips from William Demarest in The Miracle of Morgan’s Creek.

      • sleepyirv

        I’m not saying he is. I think Denver should.

        • nick

          if Tebow wants to be worshipped (and wants to be an above-average starting QB), he needs a CFL gig–ideally a prairie team.

          I mean, Tim Tebow as a Rough Rider? The pr0n parody practically writes itself….

          • Bill Murray

            He’s a natural Stampeder

          • McKingford


            The Rough Riders were Ottawa’s now defunct team.

            Saskatchewan (the prairie province), oth, boasts the Roughriders.

            I really can’t believe you could mix those up.

            • Anonymous

              curses! I out myself as a clueless Maritimer!

    • Tebow at TE?!? Never gonna happen. NFL execs flush their mistakes away, they don’t display them evey Sunday. A high draft pick and QB bonus money on a TE?

      Sorry, too many egos involved to ever showcase that kind of classic misjudgment.


    • Cory

      Matt Jones was probably a better athlete than Tebow and never made the transition from college QB to NFL receiver despite that being the plan for him before he was ever drafted.
      (Maybe it was all the evil weed’s fault)

  • c u n d gulag

    One last thing, besides the Evangelical Christianity – Tebow is white!

    We can all think of tons of black Quarterbacks coming out of college who reminded us of Tebow. Great athletes with decent to good arms.

    How many of them were drafted in the 1st round to be QB’s?
    How many were drafted to even be QB’s, and not WR’s, RB’s, or DB’s?

    Make the kid a TE, or maybe a FB who can run an occasional run-pass option.

    I can’t stand his public displays of affection for the baby Jesus, and never could.
    I don’t wish the kid any evil.
    I just wish he’d disappear.

    But you know he’ll have his own Christian TV Ministry in a matter of days if he’s cut.

    I can see Timmeh up at the pulpit with a helmet on, and as the show begins, we see a guy dressed as Jesus running a gauntlet of Liberals, lesbians, atheists, “rustlers, cutthraots, murderers, bounty hunters, desperados, mugs, pugs, thugs, nitwits, half-wits, dim-wits, vipers, snipers, con men, Indian agents, Mexican bandits, muggers, buggerers, bushwhackers, horse wagglers, horse thiefs, bullbags, train robbers, bank robbers, ass kickers, shit kickers, and Methodists!”

    And every time a donation exceeds $1,000, Tebow will strike the Heisman pose, do his prayer routine, and spike a football that will look like whoever the hated Liberal of that week happens to be.

    • Got it! If Tebow had been black with those flaws, there isn’t a team in the NFL that would have considered him for QB.

      The list of QBWNBs (Ryan Leaf, anyone?) just got one longer.

      • Oh, come on. Look at the Raiders. Look at Atlanta investing in the pre-jail Michael Vick. Look at Dante Culpepper. Even Bill Bellichick drafted such a quarterback to back up Brady few years ago.

        I don’t understanding this line of argument at all. Big, strong, fast black quarterback with questionable passing techniques were all the rage for a decade or more.

        • Now I’m all nostalgic for Kordell Stewart.

          Slightly OT, but I think now would be a good time to submit an article to Slate on how Peyton Manning is the most overrated QB ever.

          • Scott Lemieux

            I think now would be a good time to submit an article to Slate on how Peyton Manning is the most overrated QB ever.

            Agreed. You could plug Tebow himself into a team of that quality and get 11 wins. Anybody got Jonah Weiner’s email?

          • Bubby Brister

            Slash did make the Pro Bowl as a QB once which is something Tebow will never do.

    • BradP

      How many of them were drafted in the 1st round to be QB’s?

      If they were Tebow’s height, all of them.

      A list of athletic and tall black QBs that generally had to switch from the college spread to the NFL pro game:

      Donovan McNabb (#2 Overall), JaMarcus Russell (#1 Overall), Josh Freeman (#17 Overall), Dennis Dixon (5th Round), Tavaris Jackson (#32 Overall), Josh Johnson (5th Round), Cam Newton (#1 Overall), Seneca Wallace (4th Round), Vince Young (#3 Overall)

      • c u n d gulag

        Guys, the ones you list are almost all recent.

        I’m old enough (older actually) to remember when Doug Williams was drafted, and people were shocked that Tampa Bay was going to keep him as a QB.

        Hell, I remember when James Harris was the LA Rams QB, and the controversy about that.

        Black didn’t have the “necessary qualities” to be QB’s in the NFL.

        By the early 2000’s, that was all thankfully gone.
        Remember when Rush put his non-cleated foot into his ample fat racist mouth about McNabb?

        But, your point’s certainly valid.

        • efgoldman

          I’m old enough (older actually) to remember when Doug Williams was drafted, and people were shocked that Tampa Bay was going to keep him as a QB.

          And then all the hoo-hah when Williams won the Super Bowl with the Redskins, and some idiot reporter asked him how long he’d been a black quarterback.

          • c u n d gulag

            That was soooooo stupid, I’d forgotten about it

            • witless chum

              I can come close, a few years ago, I saw where some preview type thing described Bryon Leftwich as “athletic.”

        • BradP

          There is still some major racism in the way scrambling quarterbacks are treated by the media, but at this point, these guys have proven themselves to valuable for most front office guys to stand in their way.

          I’m sure its gonna get turned around on me in a heartbeat, but some folks have such a profound interest in Tebow’s failure that it is starting to get the same feel as some of that racist hate.

          Please note, that does not mean to imply that Tebow’s critics are racist, just that they seem far too interested in seeming him fail.

          • Oh, I absolutely want to see him fail.

            And there’s a clear reason. He combines the media worshiping of Derek Jeter (not Tebow’s fault, nor Jeter’s) with sanctimonious in your face Christianity. And also with significantly less talent than Jeter has, if we can make superficial comparisons between sports. So essentially, Tebow is like a crappy, obnoxiously evangelical Jeter.

            • And now would be a good time to point out that the only clubhouse altercation in which Jeter has ever been involved was the time he blew off evangelical nut Chad Curtis. Which would make Jeter kind of like a talented, totally unprosyletizing Tebow.

              • It’s gotten pretty bad when I start liking Jeter relative to other athletes.

                • I’m a Sox fan, and I never got the Jeter-hate.

                  The man plays the game the way it’s supposed to be played. If he played in any other market, he’d be a universally-loved guy.

                  He can’t help the press he gets from the New York media.

                • Njorl

                  I’m not a Jeter hater. I’m a Jeter-lover hater. I don’t even hate the ordinary fans who love Jeter, just the TV people. He should have to include their in-kind PR donations on his income taxes.

                • See, this is precisely the structure of Jeter-hatred: people can’t stand the fact that there’s literally nothing to hate about the guy, so they take it out on the people who love the fact that there’s literally nothing to hate about the guy.

                  Unless you hate the way he played on the day he got hit number 3000. Because that kind of 5-for-5 showoffishness is truly deplorable.

                • @Joe,

                  The “hate” can be summed up in three words: New. York. Post.

                  You might recall that, when his contract expired in 2010, some awful news stories started appearing about what an ungrateful bastard he was.

                  Well, there’s a large contingent of sheeple Yankee fans that swallowed that crap whole.

                  In reality, the Yankees had no one to blame but themselves for giving A-Rod that godawful extension when it wasn’t even necessary, thus forcing Jeter’s agent to insist on some back-compensation for the fact that, you know, Jeter was the key to their Series wins and even the new stadium.

                  Too, Jeter’s agent fouled the waters by publicly speculating that he’d test the waters outside the friendly confines of the Stadium. That was not helpful to Jeter’s image and was leaped on by Hank Steinbrenner as ingratitude, and by Cashman who all but told Jeter to take a hike.

                • Giambi should slide

                  The people to hate are Yankees fans and announcers.
                  The flip was a impressive heads up play that was turned into something mythological.

      • wengler

        I would compare T Jack to Tebow.

        Though I think T Jack is better.

        • BradP

          Comparing the two of them coming straight out of college, I would have thought the closest would have been Josh Freeman.

          Of course Tebow has performed as I expected, and Freeman, prior to this years regression (interceptions has sent his rating lower than Tebow’s), has exceeded all my expectations.

  • BradP

    Tebow actually showed some improvement, and while he may or not be the future of the team, Elway should probably focus on developing some consistent OL play and get a receiver who doesn’t suck. There may be 3 or 4 qbs in the league who could have success throwing to Eric Decker, Eddie Royal, and a rookie in D. Thomas.

    Probably shouldn’t have gone with John Fox either.

    At this point, however, I wish they would let Orton go in and lose out the rest of the season in relative quiet.

    • themac

      Jerry Rice wouldn’t catch a pass if it were thrown ten yards in front of, behind, or to the side of him, which was where Tebow was chucking them yesterday. And even the best O-line won’t stop sacks if it takes too long for the QB to decide he has to run–if the play isn’t designed as a QB draw he’s totally flat-footed.

      Another point: I think an under-appreciated source of Tebow-hate is his apparent insistence on playing QB rather than TE or fullback. (I recall that this came up as an issue during the draft.) For all of his supposed leadership qualities, that doesn’t exactly mark him as a team player.

      • BradP

        Admittedly, I was not able to watch the game. But I do read about such things, and when this article says:

        “I lost count of the dropped passes today”

        I tend to think Tebow’s accuracy wasn’t the only thing contributing to the lack of completions.

        Did you get to watch the game?

        • themac

          I did. Quite often ‘dropped’=’couldn’t hang onto it because the ball was thrown at the receiver’s knees/over his head.’ That’s not to say there weren’t a few legit drops, of course, but you can’t put it all, or even the bulk of it, on the receivers.

          • Joseph Slater

            I also watched the game and I agree with themac’s assessment.

        • Rob

          You’re right. There was also Tebow being ill prepared and his inability to read defenses.

    • It makes you wonder if they put Tebow in there because he can take hits better.

      • BradP

        Their right tackle has gotten blown up all day long the last two weeks, and I do know I would rather have Tebow with the ball than Orton when that happens.

        • witless chum

          Tebow displayed some bad pocket awareness, giving up two strip sacks just to Cliff Avril. I haven’t really watched Orton, but he wouldn’t still be in the league if he was as bad.

    • mark f

      Didn’t the Broncos just get rid of a WR who doesn’t suck?

      • BradP

        They have been getting rid of everyone on the team that didn’t suck for the past three years.

        The only thing breaking that trend was the firing of Josh McDaniels.

      • witless chum

        We certainly enjoy having Tony Scheffler in Detroit. He does excellent celebrations when he scores TDs (sword fighting in Tampa, military in Denver?).

        • I think he meant Brandon Lloyd.

          • witless chum

            Brandon Marshall, I’d think. But they also got rid of Scheffler during the McDaniels house cleaning.

            • mark f

              I meant Lloyd, who they just traded away a week or two ago.

              • It doesn’t say anything good at all about Denver’s management that we have so many options to choose from.

        • Joseph Slater

          I agree re enjoying having Scheffler. I think the celebration in Denver started off with “Tebowing” (something Avril had done earlier), and finished with the “Mile High Salute” that Denver players have been known to use.

          My favorite stat from yesterday. Denver offense, 10 total points (7 of which came after the game was no longer in any doubt). Detroit defense (on plays in which Tebow either threw an interception or fumbled): 14. Tebow basically gave up more points, singlehandedly, than he managed to lead his offense to score.

          • Green Caboose

            As good as that stat was, even better was a graphic posted near the end of the 3rd quarter comparing the passing yards of the two teams. Detroit had several hundred yards. Denver had -7 at that point (this was after Tebow had taken several sacks and had over 10 incompletions in a row).

            As much as I was happy when Denver started Tebow, it has quickly become very clear why he was #3 on the depth chart before they gave him a social promotion to starter in order to appease the fan base. We had hoped that his natural ability to scramble and throw off tackles would compensate for the weak Denver OL, but although that has proven true his inability to detect and connect to any but the most wide open receivers simply won’t cut it in the NFL

            • Joseph Slater

              So many amusing numbers to choose from. It’s also worth stressing that most of the handful of passes Tebow did complete were in the later third through fourth quarters when the game was obviously out of reach — yes, it was obviously out of reach by the late third quarter. And a chunk of that time, Detroit was playing subs.

  • Tracy

    I’m old, so this may be meaningless to those who aren’t Bears fans, but Tim Tebow reminds me of Bobby Douglass.

    • Wasn’t he one of only like two starting QBs in the NFL with more rushing yards than passing?

      • sparks

        I remember Douglass having a few (very few) good games both throwing and running. Tebow still has a ways to go there. As one writer put it, I shall watch his future progress with considerable interest.

        • Tracy

          The estimable Football-Reference has Douglass’s entire career game-by-game here.

          In 1971, his passer rating for the last five games of the season was 9.0 – even Timmeh may trouble beating that.

    • Green Caboose

      A lot of people with long memories have made that comparison. I think the TV broadcast did a feature on Douglass before the Miami-Denver game.

  • Jim Lynch

    When a celebrity habitually refers to God and his boy as being particularly close friends (and allies), that person invites ridicule.

  • Sherri

    The Tebow hate is because he gets attention all out of proportion to his actual talent and ability. He’s Anna Kournikova, except not as good.

  • Green Caboose

    Here in the Colorado Springs area (i.e. the Center of the Fundamentalist World) you can’t go into a mall without seeing dozens of #15 jerseys on the kids. They loves them some Tebow.

    Of course, this means that the sports bar and web board discussions about the Tebow have taken on a whole new level of irrationality. We’re all used to irrational discussions during QB controversies – but now we’ve added tens of thousands of literal young-earth-creationists to the mix.

    In addition to the usual cherry-picked statistics and logical fallacies, the Tebow supporters are convinced that the Denver media, coaching staffs, and wide receivers – not to mention the referees – are anti-Christians who want Tebow to fail.

    When the team was losing under Orton the Tebowels were sure it was all Orton’s fault and wouldn’t tolerate any discussion of the weak OL or the problems with the game planning. Now of course that is all we are hearing about from them.

    I think what annoys me the most are comments like “the great thing about Tebow is at last we have an NFL player we can root for without worrying about his personal life.” That has to be extremely annoying to guys like Reggie White (or his family), Jerry Rice, Kurt Warner, etc. etc. etc. etc. It’s as though to Tebow’s fans you can’t be a good person if you aren’t wearing your religion on your sleeve. Ironic, given that I recall Jesus was quoted as disapproving of people who do just that.

    • I would like to point out that I am an anti-Christian who wants Tebow to fail because he is a Christian. Or at least because he is a particular type of Christian. If he’s shut the fuck up about it, I wouldn’t care one way or another.

      • c u n d gulag

        Maybe if he STFU about it, he wouldn’t have been a #1 draft choice?
        Say what you will about him, and I’m with you for exactly the same reason, but the kid knows how to market himself. He’s not some wide-eyed innocent, for non-Christ’s sake!

        Does anyone think that a QB who “proselytized” atheism would have drawn anywhere near the attention as ‘God’s Other Son” – “No Pro Touchdown Jesus?”

        • Your theory makes as much sense as any other as an explanation of why he went in the first round.

        • No question, he knows how to market himself.

    • Also, Reggie White and Kurt Warner were pretty annoying too.

      And one would think that Colorado Springs residents would get smarter about connecting open profession of Christianity with what they consider appropriate behavior after Ted Haggard, but of course they wouldn’t.

      • Trot Nixon was insufferable with that crap.

        “So, Trot, tell us about what happened at last at-bat.”

        “First, I’d just like to give thanks to my Lord and Savior…”

        It’s just self-flattery. It’s a statement that God has given you divine powers, and that God is personally intervening because He wants you to succeed.

        • It’s the new Gospel of Wealth, preached in megachurches around the country. God is personally rewarding you. Wealth and success=worth in God’s eyes.

      • patrick II

        Kurt Warner annoyed me and a lot of other St. Louis Rams fans a lot less than others of the type. Partly because Kurt was just so good but mostly because he was actually a great guy. He had a reputation of being kind, good tipper and he was well known for being involved in a lot of charities. He is a genuinely nice guy. I am somewhat less hard on Christians who actually live up to their ideals.

        • Bill Murray

          Warner’s problems often came attached to his harridan of a wife

      • sparks

        Thanks for mentioning that White and Warner were annoying, I was about to add that myself. It’d be different if Tebow weren’t the sort who knows how to piously peddle his won ass.

        • sparks

          own, not won

    • You know what would be nice to see?

      A little less credit to Jesus, and a little more to the o-line, when Tebow has some success.

      • Furious Jorge

        People like Tebow don’t generally do that – the logic will be that Jeebus gave him the O-line, so actually thanking them would make as much sense as thanking your car when the mechanic fixes it. Or something.

      • Njorl

        I’d like to see someone thank Jesus for punishing the unrepentent sinners on the other team.

  • Sherri

    Another annoying thing about the Tebow promoters is the whole “it’s just his 5th start” excuse. The last time I saw a qb look that clueless starting, it was Max Hall starting for the Cardinals. They quickly decided that Derek Anderson wasn’t quite so bad after all. Max Hall went to BYU, so I assume Jesus was on his side, too.

    • witless chum

      That’s the Romney Jesus and he’s the wrong one, I think. I think Dan Orlovsky had about five starts (he’s mostly known for nonchalantly running out the back of his own endzone, but he did throw a 90-some yard TD pass to Megatron at some point. Maybe the Broncos should give him a try?

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