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There is Literally No Argument so Dumb That They Won’t Make it

[ 89 ] January 20, 2011 |

Shorter Daily Tucker: By encouraging people to exercise, Michelle Obama is effectively a murderer. Among other things, Obama seems unaware that while walking and running are deadly activities, nobody has ever died operating a motor vehicle.

Update (PC): That “sharp increase” noted by the Daily Caller in pedestrian deaths was from 1,884 to 1,891.

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  1. DocAmazing says:

    And again, the basic irrationality of the motorist position: motorist hits pedestrian, pedstrian at fault? Yeah, kind of like Rep. Giffords got in the way of those bullets. In the absence of speeding and inattentive drivers who like to rummage around in their glove compartments and send texts while driving, the pedestrians do just fine.

    • Malaclypse says:

      And again, the basic irrationality of the motorist position: motorist hits pedestrian, pedstrian at fault?

      True. But if bicycle deaths went up, fewer people would even think about blaming cars.

      • DocAmazing says:

        Tell me about it. Even here in San Francisco, the cops almost applaud when a bike is hit.

        • Kurzleg says:

          I’m happy to say that wasn’t my experience in Minneapolis. Not only was the officer helpful, but a bus driver plus a few bystanders got the license plate number of the car that hit me and left the scene.

        • Malaclypse says:

          In Our Fair City of Cambridge, MA, not only did the cops fair to ticket the driver who blew a stop sign and nailed me, not only did they threaten me with arrest for asking why he was not ticketed, but they would not help me with my wrecked bike. I was left with the choice of walking a long way while really pretty hurt, carrying my bike, or getting a ride from the person who hit me.

  2. joejoejoe says:

    Tucker Carlson is 3rd rate OJ Simpson commentator who was blown off the air by ONE Jon Stewart appearance. I’m not sure why he still has a job other than the financing of his daddy’s friends.

    About people who walk, my wildass guess is pedestrian deaths are flat (after a steady decline) in the aggregate because the # of pedestrians is increasing in this shit economy. Also, the US grows at about .9% so a .4% pedestrian death increase is actually a decrease given the same amount of vehicles and miles driven. But the truth would have to mean something to Mr. Bowtie Bullshit for any of this to matter and it does not.

  3. Sage says:

    Well, never heard of Daily Tucker, but the Washington Examiner is merely a propaganda rag, owned by a right-wing billionaire and distributed free to suburban lawns in the greater DC area; no one with half a brain takes it seriously.

    Such publications merely preach to the converted. Such illogical idiocy would not persuade anyone who is not already a true believing Teatard/Obama hater. The sheep must be fed.

    • NonyNony says:

      Well, never heard of Daily Tucker …

      You will never know just how much I envy you at the moment.

      • Sage says:

        Ha ha! I know Tucker Carlson is that boyish-looking bow-tied right-winger who used to be on CNN Crossfire. But I don’t bother to read the right-wing media direct, their nauseating ideas and statements are already given far too much attention in the “liberal mainstream” media. Why go directly to the cesspit if the wind constantly brings the stench to your windows and you hate the smell?

    • MobiusKlein says:

      The examiner CHAIN also distributes free crap to San Francisco residents.
      Same shit, different front page.

  4. Malaclypse says:

    But you really don’t need Dr. Lott’s studies to understand that in all of the places where the gun laws are highly restrictive, gun violence is prevelant. Chicago, D.C., New York City.

    Sadly, as they say, no. See New York? Way down there at 128 New York?

    • DrDick says:

      There is also the fact that those cities are surrounded by or with easy access to places with lax gun laws. Most of the guns used in crimes in New York have been traced back to dealers in the Carolinas.

  5. c u n d gulag says:

    Of course, the fault is always with an Obama.
    Hey, lunkheads, did you ever think the uptick was because of the unemployment situation? You know, people who normally would have driven a car (and maybe gotten killed THAT way), are instead either unable to afford gas, or trying to save money? And that many roads now have many pedestrians where there were few before?
    I never, ever, saw anyone walking along my road carrying shopping bags from the supermarket on corner of the main road before. Or else, it was very, very, very rare.
    Now, I see them all the time. I even give them rides back home when I’m driving because I know they ain’t doin’ this ’cause of their health – and if there is that person out there, I haven’t met them yet.

    Or, possibly the number of people has inceased who are walking around completely oblivious talking, texting, or God knows what else on their cell phones and I-Me-Mine-Pods?

    And a WHOPPING 7 DEATHS! OMG! It’s an epidemic!!!

    Everytime you think they’ve reached the Everest of stupidity, you find that it wasn’t an Everest, it was only a speed bump.

    Dumbass MFer’s!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  6. Linkmeister says:

    As much discredit as has accrued to Lott and his “research” it’s hard to believe someone is seriously citing him as an authoritative source. Mr. or Ms. Wrongful Death, have you been living off-planet?

  7. R.Johnston says:

    Lott:research about guns::Wakefield:research about vaccines

    Lott isn’t just sloppy; he’s a known fraud. To cite him is to claim the mantle of being as dumb and dangerous as Jenny McCarthy.

  8. J.W. Hamner says:

    “One factor may be the increased distractions for both pedestrians and drivers. Anyone who travels in a busy city has seen countless pedestrians engrossed in conversation or listening to music while crossing a busy street. Just as drivers need to focus on driving safely, pedestrians need to focus on walking safely – without distractions.”

    The iPhone will kill us all!

  9. Halloween Jack says:

    The standard argument WRT the health benefits of cycling is that the net decrease in deaths from heart disease and obesity-related illnesses more than outweighs the death and injury rate from accidents. I don’t see any such analysis here.

    • catclub says:

      This, Whenever someone tells you bicycling is dangerous, remember thatin the US you can go about 3 million miles on a bike before you would expect to die in a bike accident.

      That works out to ONLY 117 miles per day … for 70 years.

      If you don’t do you bike riding drunk, at night and going home a from a bar – your odds may be better. (One way for convicted drunk drivers who have lost their license to travel is to ride a bike. Some just keep driving.)

  10. Davis says:

    I just want to say that Tucker Carlson has another abject failure on his hands, and that makes me smile.

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  12. chomko says:

    Does this mean the First Lady also gets credit for the (actually sharp) declines in overall traffic fatalities the past couple years?

    http://www.nhtsa.gov/PR/DOT-165-10

  13. Western Dave says:

    I’ve been a pedestrian hit by a car twice (both times uninjured thankfully) and damn near hit a third time that would have hurt quite a lot. The first two times the drivers apologized profusely. (They were making rights on red and didn’t see me as they took their foot of the brake before pulling their head around. I yelled really loud and they slammed on the brake). The third guy (who ran a top sign at about 50 – in a school zone -) not so much. I’ve also come damn close to killing a pedestrian who seemed unaware that he was crossing against the light on a street where I was doing about 25 miles an hour. More than enough to do him serious damage in my minivan. Fortunately, I could change lanes and avoid him even as I leaned on my horn. (Braking wasn’t an option, I would have caused a huge pile-up) He gave me the finger. Stupid is as stupid does. If you are so engrossed in the damn phone conversation, stop moving.

  14. Michael H Schneider says:

    We must also draw attention to the economic effects of the Job Killing Anti-Obesity Jihad.

    People who go to gyms contribute to the economy. They halp support the people who work at those gyms, from the cleaning staff to the landlords to the people in the billing department who won’t allow a member to cancel. They support the people who sell the machines, and build the machines, and deliver the machines.

    Pedestrians are freeloaders. They’re consuming taxpayer supported resource, the sidewalk, and they pay nothing for the privilege. Worse, since they don’t buy memberships, they aren’t supporting all those other jobs.

    Worse yet, the exercise may allow them to collect Social Security for more years, further aggravating our budget problems.

    For all these reasons we must support people who buy gym memberships by making the membership fee tax deductible, and put up toll booths along pedestrian ways.

  15. thebewilderness says:

    The words of the First Lady CAN KILL!
    Not guns, they don’t kill people!
    Not cars, they don’t either.
    Not even violent rhetoric from right win nuts can kill people!
    Do not mess with the First Lady!
    Her words can KILL!!!

  16. WrongfulDeath says:

    Great!

    This is a place where Dr. Lott’s research is poo-pooed, but the global warming frauds that were exposed lately and their research with which they have no data for verification is heralded as “truth”.

    So, if you don’t like the only studies on guns violence that demonstrates that guns are a deterrent to crime, please show us a real study, any study that demonstrates a positive correlation between guns available to the public and gun crime in any given area.

    Put up or shut up

    • Anticorium says:

      You’d think it would be work to fashion a reality where John Lott is a master statistician with unimpeachable credentials, but all the world’s climate scientists are just pulling numbers out of their ass to fit alarming-looking pie charts.

      • Malaclypse says:

        Alice laughed. “There’s no use trying,” she said: “one CAN’T believe impossible things.”

        “I daresay you haven’t had much practice,” said the Queen. “Why, sometimes I’ve believed as many as six impossible things before breakfast.”

        – Lewis Carroll, Through the Looking Glass

    • rbcoover says:

      Here you go.

      What the hell does this have to do with the Daily Caller article?

    • DrDick says:

      World class, epic critical thinking and scientific literacy FAIL! Unlike Lott, whose research was repudiated and who has been found to have committed scholarly fraud by peer review, the climate change scientists have been upheld by the same processes and it is only ignorant and self-interested hacks who claim that their research is false.

    • hv says:

      There is not a lot of upside in arguing science with people who are climate deniers based on their judgment of the science involved.

    • I think it’s pretty clear the poo-poo was Lott’s from the start.

  17. WrongfulDeath says:

    By the way, I’ve never heard of a gun pulling its own trigger.

  18. Malaclypse says:

    and even empirical evidence tells us otherwise.

    Citation or shut up, please.

  19. rea says:

    He’s probably thinking of the famous study by Dr. Rousch . . er, Dr. Lott . . .

  20. Scott Lemieux says:

    In particular, let’s see some data involving countries that actually have stringent gun control laws.

  21. DrDick says:

    Sadly the evidence is quite the contrary. I do not have the citations to hand, but if you compare murder rates for countries with strict gun control and those without (like us) the former have far lower levels. The same is true when you compare murder rates for US counties (I think Atrios or Digby had a map up showing that data a while back).

  22. Scott Lemieux says:

    look up Dr. John Lott

    Okay.
    What was your point?

  23. rea says:

    OMG, he really is relying on Mary Rousch’s faked study! And here I was just kidding.

  24. John says:

    Wow! Seriously?

  25. Fleas correct the era says:

    “Look up Dr. John Lott. Always good to know what you’re dealing with.

  26. Julia Grey says:

    Look up Dr. John Lott

    Now THAT’S entertainment!

  27. Aaron says:

    If we look at those countries we’re apt to find that each of them has had similarly horrible incidents involving a person of dubious sanity and firearms. I don’t agree that it’s “dumb” to argue “that more gun control laws would have prevented the AZ shootings” because there likely are gun control measures that you could take that would make it less likely that somebody like Loughner could obtain a firearm, and something as simple as limiting the size of his clip would likely have saved lives given that he was tackled when he had to reload. But at a certain point we have to recognize that we can reduce the number of Loughner-type incidents, and perhaps if we’re lucky reduce the severity of some of the others, but we’re unlikely to eliminate them even with Canadian or U.K.-style gun control.

  28. charles pierce says:

    How many rakes you figure that guy’s got lying around his yard, Scott?

  29. SP says:

    This is the first time I’ve seen a post title that preemptively refers to one of its comments.

  30. John says:

    Have they? When was the last time something like this happened in Britain?

  31. Scott Lemieux says:

    Also, nobody claims that gun control would entirely eliminate gun violence. The claim is that it would reduce the frequency, so the fact that other countries might have “horrible incidents” is nonresponsive.

  32. ajay says:

    When was the last time something like this happened in Britain?

    As far as I am aware, the last mass handgun shooting in Britain was the Dunblane shooting in 1996. As a result, the government brought in much stricter handgun laws, and breech-loading handguns are now basically illegal in Britain. There have been no more mass murders with handguns.

  33. Aaron says:

    When was the last time somebody in the U.K. went off the deep end and shot a bunch of innocent people? June.

  34. Scott Lemieux says:

    Are we even sure that this isn’t Mary Rosh’s new sobriquet?

  35. Mary Rosh says:

    John Lott is the kindest, bravest, warmest, most wonderful human being I’ve ever known in my life.

  36. howard says:

    my initial theory about wrongfuldeath was that he/she was a parody.

    and then i became convinced in several other threads that no, wrongfuldeath was merely a moron.

    but now i’m back to parody: no one – i mean, not the dumbest ass right-winger – could be relying on Dr. Lott! it’s just not possible to be that stupid….

  37. Malaclypse says:

    no one – i mean, not the dumbest ass right-winger – could be relying on Dr. Lott! it’s just not possible to be that stupid….

    Donalde could.

  38. Aaron says:

    Scott, WrongfulDeath specifically argued that it is “dumb” to argue “that more gun control laws would have prevented the AZ shootings” – his comment was not about gun violence in general.

    Thus, within that context, I am speaking of incidents like Loughner’s shooting, the “Cumbria shooting rampage,” the Dawson College shooting at McGill, etc., in which psychologically disturbed gunmen kill lots of people.

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