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		<title>By: Bob</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bob</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Jul 2010 02:16:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z9LX_Xa1nds&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;
Listen to any of the songs with the album cover showing. That&#039;s what Gram Parsons did for the Byrds. If you want to argue BRC has ever touched any of these songs, be my guest.</description>
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Listen to any of the songs with the album cover showing. That&#8217;s what Gram Parsons did for the Byrds. If you want to argue BRC has ever touched any of these songs, be my guest.</a></p>
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		<title>By: rcobeen</title>
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		<dc:creator>rcobeen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Jul 2010 00:15:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The idea that Gram Parsons &quot;is one of the most influential individuals in the history of country music&quot; would be laughable if it wasn&#039;t a canard of people who only know about country through the likes of Uncle Tupelo.  Just off the top of my head: Bob Wills, Bill Monroe, Jimmie Rodgers, Hank Williams, Lefty Frizzell, Merle Haggard, George Jones, Patsy Cline, Willie Nelson, Johnny Cash.  Parsons&#039; influence doesn&#039;t come close to any of them, or a couple dozen more I could name in another two minutes.  Parsons&#039; talent was real and it is sad to think what was lost with his early demise, but let&#039;s not make more of him than is there.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The idea that Gram Parsons &#8220;is one of the most influential individuals in the history of country music&#8221; would be laughable if it wasn&#8217;t a canard of people who only know about country through the likes of Uncle Tupelo.  Just off the top of my head: Bob Wills, Bill Monroe, Jimmie Rodgers, Hank Williams, Lefty Frizzell, Merle Haggard, George Jones, Patsy Cline, Willie Nelson, Johnny Cash.  Parsons&#8217; influence doesn&#8217;t come close to any of them, or a couple dozen more I could name in another two minutes.  Parsons&#8217; talent was real and it is sad to think what was lost with his early demise, but let&#8217;s not make more of him than is there.</p>
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		<title>By: Matt T.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Matt T.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Jul 2010 18:39:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;d say popularity has a very strong connection to popularity, especially in the field of pop music, which is what mainstream country is. George Jones, Merle Haggard, and Dolly Parton were all massively popular and massively influential. That&#039;s what hoi paloi wanted to hear, what the labels went for, and what young singers tried to sound like. Alt-country has had almost no impact on mainstream country and, to a very real extent, it isn&#039;t country music. It&#039;s a subgenre of rock because of its largely suburban as opposed to rural/small-town roots, lyrical theme and structure. People who listen to mainstream country are barely aware of it, if at all, and Nashville could care less. Hell, alt-country musicians really aren&#039;t going for that market anyway. That don&#039;t mean The Bottle Rockets don&#039;t kick the shit out of Jason Aldean, but it&#039;s still apples and oranges.
 Fact is, Parsons&#039; influence on mainstream country is significant if you consider who he directly influenced: The Eagles. He&#039;s the patient zero for the whole cosmic cowboy thing of the &#039;70s, and The Eagles especially had a massively influence on the direction of country music in the last 20 years.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;d say popularity has a very strong connection to popularity, especially in the field of pop music, which is what mainstream country is. George Jones, Merle Haggard, and Dolly Parton were all massively popular and massively influential. That&#8217;s what hoi paloi wanted to hear, what the labels went for, and what young singers tried to sound like. Alt-country has had almost no impact on mainstream country and, to a very real extent, it isn&#8217;t country music. It&#8217;s a subgenre of rock because of its largely suburban as opposed to rural/small-town roots, lyrical theme and structure. People who listen to mainstream country are barely aware of it, if at all, and Nashville could care less. Hell, alt-country musicians really aren&#8217;t going for that market anyway. That don&#8217;t mean The Bottle Rockets don&#8217;t kick the shit out of Jason Aldean, but it&#8217;s still apples and oranges.<br />
 Fact is, Parsons&#8217; influence on mainstream country is significant if you consider who he directly influenced: The Eagles. He&#8217;s the patient zero for the whole cosmic cowboy thing of the &#8217;70s, and The Eagles especially had a massively influence on the direction of country music in the last 20 years.</p>
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		<title>By: dave</title>
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		<dc:creator>dave</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Jul 2010 17:47:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good god, how bitchy is it possible for you guys to get when someone questions your taste in music? Take a pill or something.</description>
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		<title>By: jackd</title>
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		<dc:creator>jackd</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Jul 2010 16:50:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Not intentionally.</description>
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		<title>By: Erik Loomis</title>
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		<dc:creator>Erik Loomis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Jul 2010 15:14:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>But what does influence and popularity have to do with each other? Parsons is only not influential if you completely ignore the entire alt-country tradition, which you can only do if you define country music as narrowly as possible.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>But what does influence and popularity have to do with each other? Parsons is only not influential if you completely ignore the entire alt-country tradition, which you can only do if you define country music as narrowly as possible.</p>
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		<title>By: bdbd</title>
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		<dc:creator>bdbd</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Jul 2010 14:48:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>interesting thread and contrast (between Parsons and Cyrus).  Parsons could afford to construct a style composed largely of gestures and broad winks.  Cyrus at the outset was making a living (and he stumbled into a nice one).  &quot;Authenticity&quot; and the commercial context are orthogonal in many ways.  Is &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RpKhWePGNPc&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;this&lt;/a&gt; commercial or authentic (certainly it&#039;s humorous like Acky Breaky)-- note Clarence White on guitar, along with brother Roland on mandolin and with the rest of The Country Boys.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>interesting thread and contrast (between Parsons and Cyrus).  Parsons could afford to construct a style composed largely of gestures and broad winks.  Cyrus at the outset was making a living (and he stumbled into a nice one).  &#8220;Authenticity&#8221; and the commercial context are orthogonal in many ways.  Is <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RpKhWePGNPc" rel="nofollow">this</a> commercial or authentic (certainly it&#8217;s humorous like Acky Breaky)&#8211; note Clarence White on guitar, along with brother Roland on mandolin and with the rest of The Country Boys.</p>
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		<title>By: mark f</title>
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		<dc:creator>mark f</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Jul 2010 12:52:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jumping in late here . . .

From your link: if you find Dylan&#039;s singing incomprehensible, I don&#039;t know how anyone is supposed to take you seriously. Particularly since you&#039;re talking about &quot;Don&#039;t Think Twice . . .&quot; and his folk era, when his enunciation couldn&#039;t have been clearer. I mean, it&#039;s one thing if you don&#039;t like his voice compared to a polished one like Baez&#039;s. But to say his singing on &quot;Masters of War&quot; or &quot;A Hard Rain&#039;s A-Gonna Fall&quot; is &quot;incomprehensible&quot; is frankly bizarre.

The nasally mumble that Dylan gets mocked for was his voice from &lt;em&gt;Street-Legal&lt;/em&gt; through &lt;em&gt;Under the Red Sky&lt;/em&gt;. After that it gave out totally and turned into a bit of a croak, but before 1978 it rough-hewn but totally clear. And, for that matter, displayed a fair amount of technical skill that made up for whatever lack of natural range he had.

From reading this thread it sure seems like you don&#039;t really know what you&#039;re talking about. &quot;The only Billy Ray Cyrus song I know is awesome!,&quot; &quot;The only Gram Parsons song I know is terrible and anyone whoever heard of Gram Parsons?,&quot; &quot;Dylan only made one song where you could undertsand his singing!&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jumping in late here . . .</p>
<p>From your link: if you find Dylan&#8217;s singing incomprehensible, I don&#8217;t know how anyone is supposed to take you seriously. Particularly since you&#8217;re talking about &#8220;Don&#8217;t Think Twice . . .&#8221; and his folk era, when his enunciation couldn&#8217;t have been clearer. I mean, it&#8217;s one thing if you don&#8217;t like his voice compared to a polished one like Baez&#8217;s. But to say his singing on &#8220;Masters of War&#8221; or &#8220;A Hard Rain&#8217;s A-Gonna Fall&#8221; is &#8220;incomprehensible&#8221; is frankly bizarre.</p>
<p>The nasally mumble that Dylan gets mocked for was his voice from <em>Street-Legal</em> through <em>Under the Red Sky</em>. After that it gave out totally and turned into a bit of a croak, but before 1978 it rough-hewn but totally clear. And, for that matter, displayed a fair amount of technical skill that made up for whatever lack of natural range he had.</p>
<p>From reading this thread it sure seems like you don&#8217;t really know what you&#8217;re talking about. &#8220;The only Billy Ray Cyrus song I know is awesome!,&#8221; &#8220;The only Gram Parsons song I know is terrible and anyone whoever heard of Gram Parsons?,&#8221; &#8220;Dylan only made one song where you could undertsand his singing!&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Matt T.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Matt T.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Jul 2010 03:23:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;em&gt;Gram Parsons is one of the most influential individuals in the history of country music.&lt;/em&gt;

 I don&#039;t know if I&#039;d go that far. Granted, I know we&#039;re supposed to hold people who actually listen to mainstream country radio since Waylon Jennings quit doing blow in utter contempt, but you ask the average fan of the music who Gram Parsons was and what songs he did, and I&#039;ll give you a nickel if you get anything but a blank stare. Sure, there&#039;s a solid chunk of big-time musicians who were directly influenced by Parsons&#039; music - Dwight Yoakam, Steve Earle, Hal Ketchum - but by that same token, the massive influence Nick Lowe&#039;s &lt;em&gt;Jesus Of Cool&lt;/em&gt; had on country production techniques would make him one of country music&#039;s most influential people. The only mainstream country artist I can think of that covered a Gram Parsons song, besides Emmylou Harris, was Dwight Yoakam. He and k.d. lang covered &quot;Sin City&quot; on Yoakam&#039;s &#039;89 greatest hits comp &lt;em&gt;Just Lookin&#039; For A Hit&lt;/em&gt;, which also contained an AWESOME version of The Blasters&#039; &quot;Long White Cadillac&quot;. Buy it.

 On the other hand, some four million copies of &lt;em&gt;Some Gave All&lt;/em&gt; were sold in 1994, the song itself went Multi-Platinum and spent nearly six weeks at Number One on Billboard&#039;s country charts. As someone who listened to little else but country radio in the early &#039;90s, believe you me, folks dug that song. I&#039;d argue the hard tune to Dawson&#039;s Creek look-a-likes in mainstream country music was a direct result of Cyrus&#039; success. This is mainstream country and its fans, mind, not what &quot;No Depression&quot; decides what is and what isn&#039;t country music. These folks like the &quot;crap&quot; coming out of Nashville like Big &amp; Rich and Zac Brown and &quot;Honky Tonk Ba-donk-a-donk&quot;.

 And furthermore, Gram Parsons wasn&#039;t country. His music isn&#039;t country, it isn&#039;t arranged as country, and it isn&#039;t played as country. His music&#039;s great and influential and multi-layered and reveals new depths every time one exposes oneself to it, but it ain&#039;t country no more than Doug Sahm or The Band or Wayne Hancock is country. It&#039;s rock music, visionary rock music that serves as a bridge for a whole lot of people who&#039;d never otherwise give a steel guitar a shot, and there&#039;s nothing wrong with that.

 Fun fact: Gram Parsons loved Merle Haggard and wanted him to produce &lt;em&gt;Grievous Angel&lt;/em&gt;, so record company big-wigs arranged a meeting. The Hag noted Parsons&#039; writing talent, but considered his &quot;long-haired wild boy&quot; stance a sham, calling him a &quot;goddamn pussy&quot;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>Gram Parsons is one of the most influential individuals in the history of country music.</em></p>
<p> I don&#8217;t know if I&#8217;d go that far. Granted, I know we&#8217;re supposed to hold people who actually listen to mainstream country radio since Waylon Jennings quit doing blow in utter contempt, but you ask the average fan of the music who Gram Parsons was and what songs he did, and I&#8217;ll give you a nickel if you get anything but a blank stare. Sure, there&#8217;s a solid chunk of big-time musicians who were directly influenced by Parsons&#8217; music &#8211; Dwight Yoakam, Steve Earle, Hal Ketchum &#8211; but by that same token, the massive influence Nick Lowe&#8217;s <em>Jesus Of Cool</em> had on country production techniques would make him one of country music&#8217;s most influential people. The only mainstream country artist I can think of that covered a Gram Parsons song, besides Emmylou Harris, was Dwight Yoakam. He and k.d. lang covered &#8220;Sin City&#8221; on Yoakam&#8217;s &#8217;89 greatest hits comp <em>Just Lookin&#8217; For A Hit</em>, which also contained an AWESOME version of The Blasters&#8217; &#8220;Long White Cadillac&#8221;. Buy it.</p>
<p> On the other hand, some four million copies of <em>Some Gave All</em> were sold in 1994, the song itself went Multi-Platinum and spent nearly six weeks at Number One on Billboard&#8217;s country charts. As someone who listened to little else but country radio in the early &#8217;90s, believe you me, folks dug that song. I&#8217;d argue the hard tune to Dawson&#8217;s Creek look-a-likes in mainstream country music was a direct result of Cyrus&#8217; success. This is mainstream country and its fans, mind, not what &#8220;No Depression&#8221; decides what is and what isn&#8217;t country music. These folks like the &#8220;crap&#8221; coming out of Nashville like Big &amp; Rich and Zac Brown and &#8220;Honky Tonk Ba-donk-a-donk&#8221;.</p>
<p> And furthermore, Gram Parsons wasn&#8217;t country. His music isn&#8217;t country, it isn&#8217;t arranged as country, and it isn&#8217;t played as country. His music&#8217;s great and influential and multi-layered and reveals new depths every time one exposes oneself to it, but it ain&#8217;t country no more than Doug Sahm or The Band or Wayne Hancock is country. It&#8217;s rock music, visionary rock music that serves as a bridge for a whole lot of people who&#8217;d never otherwise give a steel guitar a shot, and there&#8217;s nothing wrong with that.</p>
<p> Fun fact: Gram Parsons loved Merle Haggard and wanted him to produce <em>Grievous Angel</em>, so record company big-wigs arranged a meeting. The Hag noted Parsons&#8217; writing talent, but considered his &#8220;long-haired wild boy&#8221; stance a sham, calling him a &#8220;goddamn pussy&#8221;.</p>
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