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		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Sep 2011 19:59:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: djw</title>
		<link>http://www.lawyersgunsmoneyblog.com/2010/04/thinking-differently-about-somalia-governance-and-piracy/comment-page-1#comment-43639</link>
		<dc:creator>djw</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Apr 2010 05:57:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Coincidently, I stumbled across this article earlier today before seeing Charli&#039;s post and was contemplating a post about it. I&#039;ve been recently reading quite a bit about Somaliland, and his claim seems to fly in the face of what most observers are claiming about the place, which is that it is, for internal purposes for the core territorial regions, Somaliland is, by current African standards, a moderately high-functioning state (The same can arguably be said to a lesser but non-trivial extent about Puntland). cf Seth Kaplan, &quot;The Remarkable Story of Somaliland,&quot; &lt;em&gt;Journal of Democracy&lt;/em&gt; July 2008; Brian Hesse, &quot;Lessons in Successful Somali Governance,&quot; &lt;em&gt;Journal of Contemporary African Studies&lt;/em&gt; January 2010, etc. Obviously, I&#039;m in no position to judge whether the emerging consensus or Powell&#039;s preferred study is correct, but to my knowledge there&#039;s no particular reason to believe these scholars are under the sway of distorting biases driven by a commitment to the preferred Ethiopian narrative. I&#039;ll put his research piece on my reading list, but based on his comment, I suspect he may be setting the &#039;statehood&#039; bar rather high. The failures in statecraft are common among weak states, but they are generally recognized as actual states nonetheless. When the basic components of state sovereignty are identified, there is almost always an aspirational character to that list.

The narratives are not entirely at odds, as a part of the moderate success of Somaliland&#039;s emerging democratic governance may have to do with a set of institutional rules that guarantee a complex power balance between clans within the representative governance. I more plausible provocative thesis about Somaliland (suggested by Kaplan) is that the lack of international aid and assistance in establishing democratic institutions in Somaliland may have actually been valuable, as establishing a system that grafts clan balance of power into democratic governance formally might have been discouraged. And, of course, that choice could certainly cause problems for Somaliland governance down the road--from what I understand, it is part of the reason for the current ongoing delay in holding the next presidential election, although that election is apparently back on track for June.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Coincidently, I stumbled across this article earlier today before seeing Charli&#8217;s post and was contemplating a post about it. I&#8217;ve been recently reading quite a bit about Somaliland, and his claim seems to fly in the face of what most observers are claiming about the place, which is that it is, for internal purposes for the core territorial regions, Somaliland is, by current African standards, a moderately high-functioning state (The same can arguably be said to a lesser but non-trivial extent about Puntland). cf Seth Kaplan, &#8220;The Remarkable Story of Somaliland,&#8221; <em>Journal of Democracy</em> July 2008; Brian Hesse, &#8220;Lessons in Successful Somali Governance,&#8221; <em>Journal of Contemporary African Studies</em> January 2010, etc. Obviously, I&#8217;m in no position to judge whether the emerging consensus or Powell&#8217;s preferred study is correct, but to my knowledge there&#8217;s no particular reason to believe these scholars are under the sway of distorting biases driven by a commitment to the preferred Ethiopian narrative. I&#8217;ll put his research piece on my reading list, but based on his comment, I suspect he may be setting the &#8216;statehood&#8217; bar rather high. The failures in statecraft are common among weak states, but they are generally recognized as actual states nonetheless. When the basic components of state sovereignty are identified, there is almost always an aspirational character to that list.</p>
<p>The narratives are not entirely at odds, as a part of the moderate success of Somaliland&#8217;s emerging democratic governance may have to do with a set of institutional rules that guarantee a complex power balance between clans within the representative governance. I more plausible provocative thesis about Somaliland (suggested by Kaplan) is that the lack of international aid and assistance in establishing democratic institutions in Somaliland may have actually been valuable, as establishing a system that grafts clan balance of power into democratic governance formally might have been discouraged. And, of course, that choice could certainly cause problems for Somaliland governance down the road&#8211;from what I understand, it is part of the reason for the current ongoing delay in holding the next presidential election, although that election is apparently back on track for June.</p>
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		<title>By: cpinva</title>
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		<dc:creator>cpinva</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Apr 2010 21:48:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>clearly, you need remedial reading and comprenension classes, it&#039;s obvious you possess neither skill set.

&lt;blockquote&gt;Of course. Because it’s utterly impossible for money obtained through criminal activities to be deposited in a legitimate bank or invested in a legitimate business.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

your statement, not mine. nothing&#039;s impossible. that said, how many functioning banks are there in somalia? take your time. how many pepsi distribution companies (as an example) are there in somalia? again, take your time.

call me back when the synapses start functioning.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>clearly, you need remedial reading and comprenension classes, it&#8217;s obvious you possess neither skill set.</p>
<blockquote><p>Of course. Because it’s utterly impossible for money obtained through criminal activities to be deposited in a legitimate bank or invested in a legitimate business.</p></blockquote>
<p>your statement, not mine. nothing&#8217;s impossible. that said, how many functioning banks are there in somalia? take your time. how many pepsi distribution companies (as an example) are there in somalia? again, take your time.</p>
<p>call me back when the synapses start functioning.</p>
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		<title>By: ajay</title>
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		<dc:creator>ajay</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Apr 2010 08:28:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;em&gt;since all those ransom monies are criminal, they can’t be deposited in a legitimate bank, or invested directly in any other legitimate business activity.&lt;/em&gt;

Of course. Because it&#039;s utterly impossible for money obtained through criminal activities to be deposited in a legitimate bank or invested in a legitimate business.

Have you recently arrived on our planet, O Traveller? Do you need assistance with our language? A parking spot for your space capsule?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>since all those ransom monies are criminal, they can’t be deposited in a legitimate bank, or invested directly in any other legitimate business activity.</em></p>
<p>Of course. Because it&#8217;s utterly impossible for money obtained through criminal activities to be deposited in a legitimate bank or invested in a legitimate business.</p>
<p>Have you recently arrived on our planet, O Traveller? Do you need assistance with our language? A parking spot for your space capsule?</p>
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		<title>By: Simple Mind</title>
		<link>http://www.lawyersgunsmoneyblog.com/2010/04/thinking-differently-about-somalia-governance-and-piracy/comment-page-1#comment-43439</link>
		<dc:creator>Simple Mind</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Apr 2010 02:24:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Current piracy is almost entirely due to the US insistence on deposing that government

Indeed, glad you said it.  Observers the world over were wondering why the hell, in late 2006, the US wanted to go so far as to &quot;pick&quot; another war through its Ethiopian surrogate and a few of its own flying gunships.  The Islamic Courts opened the Mogadishu hospitals, the airport and the harbors and kicked out the warlords, who flooded back in with the US-inspired invasion.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Current piracy is almost entirely due to the US insistence on deposing that government</p>
<p>Indeed, glad you said it.  Observers the world over were wondering why the hell, in late 2006, the US wanted to go so far as to &#8220;pick&#8221; another war through its Ethiopian surrogate and a few of its own flying gunships.  The Islamic Courts opened the Mogadishu hospitals, the airport and the harbors and kicked out the warlords, who flooded back in with the US-inspired invasion.</p>
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		<title>By: Simple Mind</title>
		<link>http://www.lawyersgunsmoneyblog.com/2010/04/thinking-differently-about-somalia-governance-and-piracy/comment-page-1#comment-43433</link>
		<dc:creator>Simple Mind</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Apr 2010 00:16:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good  one!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good  one!</p>
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		<title>By: chrisw</title>
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		<dc:creator>chrisw</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Apr 2010 19:33:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The issues with tainted money don&#039;t seem to be a problem for drug dealers in the West, and Somali pirates have the advantage (in this case) of living in what I assume is a cash-only economy</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The issues with tainted money don&#8217;t seem to be a problem for drug dealers in the West, and Somali pirates have the advantage (in this case) of living in what I assume is a cash-only economy</p>
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		<title>By: cpinva</title>
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		<dc:creator>cpinva</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Apr 2010 19:12:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>they don&#039;t really have a legitimate one now, since it&#039;s all predicated on illegal activity, subject to immediate termination, on the whim of the world&#039;s superpowers. which it will be eventually.

&lt;blockquote&gt;And what happens to their economy once they don’t have ransom money coming in?&lt;/blockquote&gt;

since all those ransom monies are criminal, they can&#039;t be deposited in a legitimate bank, or invested directly in any other legitimate business activity. they basically must be spent quickly, or sent abroad, in the hopes they can someday be recovered.

i have to wonder what non-criminal enterprise will accept those tainted funds, knowing there&#039;s a high likelihood they&#039;ll end up forfeit to the state, with criminal charges for the management?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>they don&#8217;t really have a legitimate one now, since it&#8217;s all predicated on illegal activity, subject to immediate termination, on the whim of the world&#8217;s superpowers. which it will be eventually.</p>
<blockquote><p>And what happens to their economy once they don’t have ransom money coming in?</p></blockquote>
<p>since all those ransom monies are criminal, they can&#8217;t be deposited in a legitimate bank, or invested directly in any other legitimate business activity. they basically must be spent quickly, or sent abroad, in the hopes they can someday be recovered.</p>
<p>i have to wonder what non-criminal enterprise will accept those tainted funds, knowing there&#8217;s a high likelihood they&#8217;ll end up forfeit to the state, with criminal charges for the management?</p>
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		<title>By: Ben Natkin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ben Natkin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Apr 2010 17:59:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>RE: Somaliland

In the comments from the original article, the author claims that the study he is working from deals extensively with Somaliland and Puntland, finding that there is governance, but not government, which is more an outgrowth of the clan/traditional law system than anything else. I don&#039;t know if he&#039;s right, and I don&#039;t really know a whole lot about Somaliland, except that most of what people will tell you about it is tied up in other regional political biases vis-a-vis Ethiopia.

Someone else in those comments pointed out that most of the really ugly stuff in Somalia is perpetrated on minority ethnicities/clans who are excluded from the traditional law system. Not like it was much better before the collapse of the state though.</description>
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<p>In the comments from the original article, the author claims that the study he is working from deals extensively with Somaliland and Puntland, finding that there is governance, but not government, which is more an outgrowth of the clan/traditional law system than anything else. I don&#8217;t know if he&#8217;s right, and I don&#8217;t really know a whole lot about Somaliland, except that most of what people will tell you about it is tied up in other regional political biases vis-a-vis Ethiopia.</p>
<p>Someone else in those comments pointed out that most of the really ugly stuff in Somalia is perpetrated on minority ethnicities/clans who are excluded from the traditional law system. Not like it was much better before the collapse of the state though.</p>
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