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		<title>By: Great Moments in Sexist Conservative Paternalism : Lawyers, Guns &#38; Money</title>
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		<dc:creator>Great Moments in Sexist Conservative Paternalism : Lawyers, Guns &#38; Money</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Feb 2011 16:37:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] You see, the state needs to protect irrational women from making choices they might regret. And this can be accomplished through legislation that forces women to use medical procedures that pose greater medical risks without being rationally connected to any legitimate state interest whatsoever. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] You see, the state needs to protect irrational women from making choices they might regret. And this can be accomplished through legislation that forces women to use medical procedures that pose greater medical risks without being rationally connected to any legitimate state interest whatsoever. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Sufficient Scruples &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Kagan Trifecta: Conservative Reading Comprehension Disorder, Utter Mendacity, and the Noise Machine</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sufficient Scruples &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Kagan Trifecta: Conservative Reading Comprehension Disorder, Utter Mendacity, and the Noise Machine</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Jun 2010 17:39:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: The Non-Radicalism Of Diane Wood&#8217;s Church And State Jurisprudence : Lawyers, Guns &#38; Money</title>
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		<dc:creator>The Non-Radicalism Of Diane Wood&#8217;s Church And State Jurisprudence : Lawyers, Guns &#38; Money</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Apr 2010 14:49:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] 7th Circuit panel that was ultimately reversed by the Supreme Court. (Joining her in the majority, once again, was noted Maoist Richard Posner, who completely shredded the Supreme Court&#8217;s ultimate [...]</description>
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		<title>By: The case of Goodwin Liu: Having opinions is a good thing &#171; The Unpersons</title>
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		<dc:creator>The case of Goodwin Liu: Having opinions is a good thing &#171; The Unpersons</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 18 Apr 2010 14:18:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] their way onto the short list. Notably, none of them have made significant opinions on abortion (save Wood, who did little more than uphold current law) and none of them have a lot of opinions from which to draw controversy. Yet, even Sonia Sotomayor, [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] their way onto the short list. Notably, none of them have made significant opinions on abortion (save Wood, who did little more than uphold current law) and none of them have a lot of opinions from which to draw controversy. Yet, even Sonia Sotomayor, [...]</p>
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		<title>By: David Nieporent</title>
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		<dc:creator>David Nieporent</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Apr 2010 21:42:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just to clarify, I am not signing on for Ed Whelan&#039;s campaign against Wood.  I am focusing solely on that ridiculous contortion of Wood&#039;s (and Stevens&#039;) in Scheidler which enabled her to claim that an action that manifestly did not obtain anything somehow constituted obtaining something.

Of course, in the abstract, there&#039;s no way to tell whether a decision to interpret the word &quot;extortion&quot; broadly is motivated by an hyper-expansive view of government power wrt a law-and-order issue or a hyper-liberal approach towards an abortion issue.  But we&#039;re not really talking in the abstract, are we?  We&#039;re not acting in the absence of other information.  If Wood were the sort of judge who did the former rather than the latter, she&#039;d have been on Bush&#039;s short list rather than Obama&#039;s.


&lt;blockquote&gt;But I don’t find Woods’/Steven’s/Kearse’s definition of “obtain” to be irrational.&lt;/blockquote&gt;Really?  What property did the abortion protesters obtain?  (Answer that question with a straight face.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just to clarify, I am not signing on for Ed Whelan&#8217;s campaign against Wood.  I am focusing solely on that ridiculous contortion of Wood&#8217;s (and Stevens&#8217;) in Scheidler which enabled her to claim that an action that manifestly did not obtain anything somehow constituted obtaining something.</p>
<p>Of course, in the abstract, there&#8217;s no way to tell whether a decision to interpret the word &#8220;extortion&#8221; broadly is motivated by an hyper-expansive view of government power wrt a law-and-order issue or a hyper-liberal approach towards an abortion issue.  But we&#8217;re not really talking in the abstract, are we?  We&#8217;re not acting in the absence of other information.  If Wood were the sort of judge who did the former rather than the latter, she&#8217;d have been on Bush&#8217;s short list rather than Obama&#8217;s.</p>
<blockquote><p>But I don’t find Woods’/Steven’s/Kearse’s definition of “obtain” to be irrational.</p></blockquote>
<p>Really?  What property did the abortion protesters obtain?  (Answer that question with a straight face.)</p>
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		<title>By: Glenn</title>
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		<dc:creator>Glenn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Apr 2010 15:25:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Put more simply, you and Ed Whelan are simply begging the question.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Put more simply, you and Ed Whelan are simply begging the question.</p>
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		<title>By: Glenn</title>
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		<dc:creator>Glenn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Apr 2010 15:20:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes, I was referring to Arena.  I do not agree with the panel&#039;s interpretation there, not so much because of the definition of &quot;obtain&quot; but because of the history of the Hobbs Act.  The Hobbs Act was drawn from NY criminal law, which actually recognizes two different crimes: Extortion, and &quot;Coercion&quot; -- the latter being where one did not &quot;obtain property&quot; from the victim by force but rather sought to have that person do or refrain from doing some act.  The fact that the Hobbs Act included only Extortion and not Coercion suggests that the latter (which is what was actually involved in Scheidler and Arena) is not included in the Hobbs Act.  But I don&#039;t find Woods&#039;/Steven&#039;s/Kearse&#039;s definition of &quot;obtain&quot; to be irrational.

Just to be clear, my point about the Hobbs Act was not the same as yours.  You are assuming that Woods gave a conservative interpretation of the criminal statute in order to further her pro-choice beliefs, but my point is one could just as easily assume -- indeed, absent evidence to teh contrary should assume -- that she gave a more conservative reading of the Hobbs Act because she genuinely believed that was the correct interpretation, and thus to use that as a means of calling her &quot;too liberal&quot; makes no sense.  I guess neither of us knows what was in Woods&#039; heart, and absent that knowledge I choose to assume she executed her judicial duties in good faith.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, I was referring to Arena.  I do not agree with the panel&#8217;s interpretation there, not so much because of the definition of &#8220;obtain&#8221; but because of the history of the Hobbs Act.  The Hobbs Act was drawn from NY criminal law, which actually recognizes two different crimes: Extortion, and &#8220;Coercion&#8221; &#8212; the latter being where one did not &#8220;obtain property&#8221; from the victim by force but rather sought to have that person do or refrain from doing some act.  The fact that the Hobbs Act included only Extortion and not Coercion suggests that the latter (which is what was actually involved in Scheidler and Arena) is not included in the Hobbs Act.  But I don&#8217;t find Woods&#8217;/Steven&#8217;s/Kearse&#8217;s definition of &#8220;obtain&#8221; to be irrational.</p>
<p>Just to be clear, my point about the Hobbs Act was not the same as yours.  You are assuming that Woods gave a conservative interpretation of the criminal statute in order to further her pro-choice beliefs, but my point is one could just as easily assume &#8212; indeed, absent evidence to teh contrary should assume &#8212; that she gave a more conservative reading of the Hobbs Act because she genuinely believed that was the correct interpretation, and thus to use that as a means of calling her &#8220;too liberal&#8221; makes no sense.  I guess neither of us knows what was in Woods&#8217; heart, and absent that knowledge I choose to assume she executed her judicial duties in good faith.</p>
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		<title>By: David M. Nieporent</title>
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		<dc:creator>David M. Nieporent</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Apr 2010 04:17:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The Second Circuit&#039;s &lt;em&gt;Tropiano&lt;/em&gt; case (*), cited by Stevens, was something of a stretch, but even assuming its validity, it still doesn&#039;t provide any support for Stevens position in &lt;em&gt;Scheidler&lt;/em&gt;.  In &lt;em&gt;Tropiano&lt;/em&gt;, the defendant was attempting to &quot;obtain&quot; a rival company&#039;s customers.  Calling that &quot;property&quot; is (as I said) a stretch, but at least it&#039;s something.

But in &lt;em&gt;Scheidler&lt;/em&gt;, the defendants weren&#039;t attempting to obtain anything at all.  They weren&#039;t a rival abortion clinic, or a real estate developer who wanted to buy the clinics&#039; land, tear down the clinics, and put up McMansions.

The problem, contra Stevens, is not that the property was &quot;intangible,&quot; but that they weren&#039;t trying to obtain it, and no amount of verbal gymnastics to argue that &quot;obtain&quot; really means &quot;to attain the regulation of the fate of&quot; (huh?) can change that.  And as you yourself noted, if this didn&#039;t involve abortion, no way would liberals have ever tried to read a criminal statute so absurdly broadly in order to sweep in things which didn&#039;t clearly fall under the ordinary definition of a word.  Rule of lenity and all that.  (A phrase that Stevens doesn&#039;t even once mention, even to reject.)


( (*) Or were you talking about &lt;em&gt;Arena&lt;/em&gt;?  In which case, well, it uses the bizarre definition of &quot;obtain&quot; that Stevens swiped.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Second Circuit&#8217;s <em>Tropiano</em> case (*), cited by Stevens, was something of a stretch, but even assuming its validity, it still doesn&#8217;t provide any support for Stevens position in <em>Scheidler</em>.  In <em>Tropiano</em>, the defendant was attempting to &#8220;obtain&#8221; a rival company&#8217;s customers.  Calling that &#8220;property&#8221; is (as I said) a stretch, but at least it&#8217;s something.</p>
<p>But in <em>Scheidler</em>, the defendants weren&#8217;t attempting to obtain anything at all.  They weren&#8217;t a rival abortion clinic, or a real estate developer who wanted to buy the clinics&#8217; land, tear down the clinics, and put up McMansions.</p>
<p>The problem, contra Stevens, is not that the property was &#8220;intangible,&#8221; but that they weren&#8217;t trying to obtain it, and no amount of verbal gymnastics to argue that &#8220;obtain&#8221; really means &#8220;to attain the regulation of the fate of&#8221; (huh?) can change that.  And as you yourself noted, if this didn&#8217;t involve abortion, no way would liberals have ever tried to read a criminal statute so absurdly broadly in order to sweep in things which didn&#8217;t clearly fall under the ordinary definition of a word.  Rule of lenity and all that.  (A phrase that Stevens doesn&#8217;t even once mention, even to reject.)</p>
<p>( (*) Or were you talking about <em>Arena</em>?  In which case, well, it uses the bizarre definition of &#8220;obtain&#8221; that Stevens swiped.)</p>
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		<title>By: Glenn</title>
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		<dc:creator>Glenn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Apr 2010 22:08:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Totally agree with Scott on this: It was not an unreasonable or irrational reading.  The Second Circuit, I know, had come out the same way, probably others.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Totally agree with Scott on this: It was not an unreasonable or irrational reading.  The Second Circuit, I know, had come out the same way, probably others.</p>
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