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Lies, Dripping Off Your Mouth Like Dirt

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Apparently pointing out the indisputable fact that the Bush administration lied in the run-up to the Iraq war is now, according to one of the Kagans who pass for a Republican foreign policy intelligentsia, a “conspiracy theory.” Of course. if Kagan knew anything about anything that would be “elitist”, and he’s nothing if not a man of the people by that standard.

Bonus Bush Iraq-related lying here.

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  • DrDick

    Actually, I think he qualifies as a man of the pigs. Pig ignorant that is.

  • The phrases “conspiracy theory” and “conspiracy theorist” should be permanently retired. There have been lots of real conspiracies in history, including American history. Some things are conspiracies and some aren’t. As I’ve explained, the Declaration of Independence is a conspiracy theory. They connected the dots on poor George III.
    There has to some other word for the more elaborate and implausible theories of the LaRouche / John Birch society type. (And even then, the Birchers had a point. We were allied with the USSR during WWII, and some Americans had sympathy for the USSR for other reasons too. Some people had trouble figuring out the instant switches from holy war against Eurasia to holy war against Eastasia.)
    Suspicion of governmental leaders really should be the default attitude. They can be good or bad, but the political process requires them to lie quite a bit. A candidate has to convince dozens of factions and 51% of the voters that they’ll get what they’re asking for, but the pie is never big enough to give everyone a slice, and people normally are unreasonably hopeful about the size of their slices.
    Many or most working politicians, political consultants, and political scientists assume that electoral politics and the politics of governance are two different things which are very weakly linked.
    I’m going back to Hofstadter one of these days. I suspect that his analysis was seriously flawed and distorted by the polemics of his time.

  • Mike

    We need to get past these ridiculous conspiracy theories about Iraq so we can concentrate on serious matters, like whether it was Bill Ayers or Jeremiah Wright who converted Obama to Islamic Socialism.

  • Just An Australian

    > Suspicion of governmental leaders really should be the default attitude.
    Nah. They get voted for. Suspicion of the voters is what should be the default attitude. PJ O’Rourke” In a democracy, the whores are us.

  • Bullshit. I went for over a decade without voting for any of them. And a lot of people who do vote for them do so strictly faute de mieux. How could I blame them? My non-support certainly didn’t accomplish anything either.
    O’Rourke is about as worthless a support as you could find for you point. Half of Hunter S. Thompson’s vices and none of his virtues. All of Tom Wolfe’s nastiness and half of his talent. That’s pretty thin gruel.

  • In fairness, half of Wolfe’s talent. But still very thin gruel.

  • Just An Australian

    > And a lot of people who do vote for them do so strictly faute de mieux.
    > How could I blame them? My non-support certainly didn’t
    > accomplish anything either
    well, that’s my point. You and I didn’t vote them – but enough people did, even if no one offered them a better choice. So I say, blame the voters.
    As for PJ O’Rourke – I like vices and nastiness. PJ O’Rourke for president!
    ;-)

  • Well, you’re full of shit. Your method works no better than theirs. Do you think that the government would resign if no one voted for them?
    If it makes you feel good to blame voters instead of politicians — actually, no. But if it makes you feel good, go fuck youself.

  • Just An Australian

    Hi John. Thanks ever so much for taking me seriously. Possibly too seriously (I am Australian after all) (and I did invoke PJ O’Rourke here).
    Of course the government wouldn’t resign if no one voted – but if both parties are so useless, why don’t third parties do better?
    As for my method working better – I don’t have a method. I just know that this is a democracy, and we can’t point fingers at the useless dishonest corrupt dipwit politicians without some of the blame rebounding on us, the voter.
    I’m sorry this is so upsetting for you.

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