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Black in America: Still Better than Living in a Mud Hut

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Now that the Florida legislature has apologized for slavery, the White Conservative Monologue on Race will certainly achieve new heights of sophistication. Meantime, this poor fellow appears to have done gone and pooped himself:

Far as I am concerned, many Blacks in the US ought to be thankful that no matter how their ancestors got here they are better off in the US than in some shiitehole in Africa, eating scarps of bread, swatting flies and living in mud huts using arrows and clubs to hunt their food.

I suppose there’s not much point in — oh, hi there, Von Helsing from Moonbattery. What’s that, you say? “Charlie Crist wants to pay people for being black?” Why, that’s possibly the most preposterous notion —

Oh, sorry. Do continue.

Possibly the most preposterous notion to come from the radical Left is that blacks should be given free money expropriated by force from everyone else as a reward for having ancestors who were given a hard time — just like the ancestors of every human being on the planet. I won’t insult the reader’s intelligence by explaining the absurdity of thinking this unjust and profoundly moronic concept would improve race relations.

Mmmm, somehow I think insulting your readers’ intelligence might actually be a steeper challenge than you think.

Just to clarify the current state of The Conversation, I offer an important graphic aid. Pictured below: (a) ordinary human being enduring a typically hard time; (b) non-African-living black men from Indiana who didn’t live in mud huts.

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  • Yes, but at least they didn’t have to live in mud huts before they were brutally lynched by a mob of people for the made-up crime of looking in the general vicinity of a white woman. So they were, I’m sure, profoundly thankful.
    Really, it’s idiots like these that give white people a bad name.

  • ignobility

    “Welp, we’ve had our Saturday baths, Ma. Let’s go to the hangin’! Ever body’ll be there. We kin take a scarp of food to give ’em afore we string ’em up! I’m a tellin’ ya, this life is so hard, we deserve a little fun, doncha think?”
    This new rationalization for slavery is the most disgusting I’ve seen. These people are sociopaths of the lowest order. But liberals are the racists, right? I have to go throw up, now.

  • Um. Not new rationalization:
    Harriet Beecher Stowe Uncle Tomis Cabin
    Oaverages of deaths [of Africans] in the first [slave-ship] cargoes, 25 per cent.olarge average, certainly; they didnit manage the business exactly right; but then the rate of increase [of slave population] in a Christian country averages 25 per cent over what it would have been in Africa. Now, O if these [slaves] had been left in Africa, they would have been all heathen; by getting them over here, you have just as many, and all Christians to boot.
    Rev. Frederick Ross Slavery Ordained by God (1857)
    O slavery is simply an evil in certain circumstances. O equality is only the highest form of social life; subjection to authority, even slavery, may, in given conditions, be for a time better than freedom to the slave of any complexion. O slavery, like all evils, has its corresponding and greater good; that the O slave, though degraded compared with his master, is elevated and ennobled compared with his brethren in Africa.

  • Holy fuck. I didn’t even read the asshole carefully:
    using arrows and clubs to hunt their food
    Yeah, when I was in Tanzania it was unbelievable how often we had to organize a hunting party with them natives to survive. Got my knobkerry right out and clonked the clerk at the grocery stand right over the head, then made off with his tomatoes and apples. After withdrawing lots of cash with my American ATM card, I also went and bought a nice archery set so that I could bullseye that can of curry-flavoured Pringles I had my eye on…

    • FUCK_NIGGERS

      HEY, FAGGOT, DOES IT OCCUR TO YOU THAT NIGGER AFRICA WOULD STILL BE STUCK IN THE STONE AGE IF IT WERE LEFT ALONE BY CAUCASIANS? YOU LIBERALS ARE FUCKING STUPID.

      • witless chum

        C’mon, Marty we have to go back to assure everyone we still hate blacks in future!

        Uh, Doc, I think maybe you fell off your toilet again.

      • Malaclypse

        Your bold, innovative use of ALL CAPS in a thread that has been dead for three and a half years is, strangely, unpersuasive. Maybe if you added multiple exclamation points it would help.

  • Wow. I don’t really know how to respond to that post.
    I do admit that I am opposed to race based reparations at this late date. To be sure, African Americans at the time were royally screwed out of what they were due. At this point in time, I think a case is much harder to make. (Hey, can I get reparations from the English Crown for the war crimes committed against Scots during the Battle of Culloden and in the subsequent clearances of the Highlands? Can the McClouds pursue some sort of action against the Campbells, who perpetrated viscous massacres under color of authority as the Argyll Militia?? You really can get carried away here…)
    Regardless, the hateful and sneering tone of the post gives the author away. Shameful and despicable, really.

  • I agree with Celtic’s thoughts on reparations. Unfortunately I am all too familiar with that particular photograph of the lynching. It took place in Marion, Indiana, my dad’s hometown in 1930. The Sheriff at the time lived next door to the house my Dad grew up in and though I have no reason to believe and know way to know for sure, there is at least some possibility that among that crowd stood my grandfather.

  • Old Bogus

    “. . . who were given a hard time âAi just like the ancestors of every human being on the planet.”
    Since we were all slaves of the Pleidian Overlords during the Previous Age. There is no other explanation of this implausible statement. Idiot.

  • Jennifer

    Current state of the conversation? I’ve been engaged in a two-day flamewar with a moron white separatist in the comment thread for that piece of bile over at instapunk. My favorite part of it was asking her how she planned to “separate” out her black genes from her clean white ones, and suggesting that she try a woodchipper.
    It says bad things about me that I enjoy such pursuits, though in my defense, I did succeed in goading OldFart into posting a second post and digging the hole deeper.

  • shera

    Come now, people. We’ve all spent some time at the international arrivals terminal at JFK. Who hasn’t seen the line of African arrivals, clad in animal skins, sporting “tribal” tatoos, and carrying spears and bows?

  • mike in dc

    Aren’t there probably at least couple million living African Americans who were 21 or older in 1964, and who lived in the South? And probably several million more who are only one generation removed from those who lived and worked in the South during this period?
    “No taxation without representation”, right? So, why not refund all the income tax paid by African-Americans between 1916 and 1966, with compounded interest?

  • DrDick

    “in some shiitehole in Africa, eating scarps of bread, swatting flies and living in mud huts using arrows and clubs to hunt their food.”
    Riiiight. All of the peoples who contributed to the American slave populations were intensive agriculturalists and had been for thousands of years (which is why they were attractive as slaves) who got virtually all of their food from farming and herding, as well as fishing. Many were citizens of large, powerful kingdoms and empires, some with universities respected around the world. One Malian king depressed the price of gold in Egypt for a dozen years when he passed through while on hajj in the 14th century. One consequence of slavery was the collapse of these large kingdoms owing to increased warfare to supply the extremely lucrative slave trade. Every time these assholes open their mouths, they reveal the depths of their ignorance.

  • geo

    Some atrocities can never be repaid, and to pretend that the atrocity never existed – well, there’s a special hell for that.
    Brown University has done some very interesting work on the history of the slave trade and the trade’s relationship with the school.
    Brown’s Steering Committee on Slavery and Justice has a fantastic web site up with primary sources scanned in. The ship log for the Slave Ship Sally, 1764-1765, lists the deaths of those aboard. It’s a great teaching tool.
    http://www.brown.edu/Research/Slavery_Justice/

  • Reparations are one of those political ideals that are far more popular as a right-wing boogeyman than they ever were as an actual political phenomenon.
    plays right into the racist “OMG, THEY’RE TAKIGN UR STUF!!!!111” fears in that segment of the population, and is then used as a segue into welfare and affirmative action screeds.
    Gotta say, the TED videos talking about new methods developing local sustainable economies in Africa are a nice antidote to this sort of racism. Bill Clinton’s plans to adapt Dr. Paul Farmer’s healthcare system to Rwanda is particularly powerful.

  • SP

    A Shiite hole? Is that in conflict with your Sunni orifices?

  • Best. Category label. Ever.

  • witless chum

    Once you’re rationalizing slavery with ‘well blacks are better off now’ you can pretty much rationalize anything.
    Let’s try, well Stalin killing off millions during the 1930s was bad, but hey, sputnik.
    Mao -> Chinese economy growing nowadays. Great Leap forward okay!
    Hell, let’s fufill Godwin and point out that the Jews ended up with the state of Israel, so that unpleasantness in the 1940s wasn’t really anything to make a big deal off.
    I tend to agree with cd about reparations as well, but mike in dc raises what I’ve always thought was more plausible, reparations for Jim Crow. The U.S. government clearly failed in what was obviously (to anyone who could read the 14th amendment) its duty to not allow race-based discrimination to go forward.

  • ajay

    Caption for the lower picture: “The Greatest Generation at home”

  • Ginger Yellow

    “My favorite part of it was asking her how she planned to “separate” out her black genes from her clean white ones, and suggesting that she try a woodchipper.”
    A 3,000rpm centrifuge, surely.

  • Serafina

    Fucking hell.
    First of all, pre-colonial Africans had a way better standard of living than any slave, and second of all, who the hell asked Europeans to decide that the Africans needed to be enslaved for their own good?
    The next time a conservabot says this, the correct response should be, “Well, since you’re clearly a bestial lowlife with the brainpower of a single-celled organism, I think you should be enslaved. For your own good, so I can civilize you. I’ll start by raping you and taking away your children–how does that sound?”

  • My Filipino roommate believes that slavery was a net positive for blacks. He’s also a Opus Dei Catholic so I suspect it’s more religious bigotry than racism, but still…

  • Jess

    themann1086: That’s really unfortunate about your Filipino roommate.
    Anti-black racism is expressed the world over. If there is any non-black minority that is racist, they will definitely hate blacks the most. I’ve seen it so many times. Very sad.

  • anonymous

    My ancestors treated your ancestors badly = I don’t owe you anything.
    My ancestors did your ancestors a “favor” = Where’s my fucking ‘thank you’?

  • anonymous

    As a northern Yank I still get pissed when I meet a Southerner and he doesnit thank us for crushing their backwards pseudo-aristocratic regime and dragging them kicking and screaming into the modern age.
    I just canit tolerate ungratefulness.

  • To be sure, African Americans at the time were royally screwed out of what they were due. At this point in time, I think a case is much harder to make.
    It’s a hard case to make if you look at slavery in isolation, and say the damage was all done before 1865. It’s an easier case to make if you take into account the systematic conduct that perpetuated the damage done by slavery for another hundred years. That’s why reparations aren’t just about something that was done to people who are long dead; there are plenty of people alive today who have suffered materially from the systematic denial of rights to African-Americans.

  • Mike

    I think we could all (or mostly all) agree that reparations are due to the people who were kidnapped from Africa and sold as slaves. Now, why shouldn’t they be able to leave those reparations to their descendants? Anything else is a 100% Death Tax.

  • I think this question of reparations is a non starter. Whatever one’s opinions of reparations right after the civil war, or of the legacy of de jure and de facto segregation and racism in this country since, its just too hard to figure out what would be paid, and to whom, and for what reason, at this point. I don’t even find it useful to engage in thinking about it as a matter of principle.
    But I do think its interesting to think what would happen if African Americans en masse chose to renounce “reparations” and even other attendant forms of race based politicking and went for a straightforward class based attack on the priviliges enjoyed by suburban and middle class Americans. This isn’t because I agree with the right wing race baiters that affirmative action/reparations etc… are all wrong, or wrongfully race based. But I think that the whole thrust of modern republican populism/racism has simply been to delegitimize appeals for social justice from african americans, native americans, and recent non white immigrants by *segregating* those appeals as “merely” identity politics or special pleading. But of course good schools for urban kids are *good schools for american citizens* regardless of their race. Good financing for college education for working class kids ought to be good financing for all our kids from poor and lower class families. There’s a common cause to be made here between white and non white *poor and working class people.* Unfortunately for all of us the right wing has done a great job of hiving off workign class and “ethnic” whites from their natural allies elsewhere in the poor and working class communities. We have to work around that or undermine that to create a signficant voting bloc/coalition. I’m not in a position to tell any person what political strategies they should choose to get justice. But personally? I think the entire focus of social justice/race based and identity politics should be abandoned in favor of a serious attempt to educate poor whites and minorities as to their common class interests and their common strengths vis a vis the upper class. Sigh. All those years of resisting and I come out sounding like a marxist.
    aimai

  • Mike

    African Americans en masse chose to renounce “reparations” and even other attendant forms of race based politicking and went for a straightforward class based attack on the priviliges enjoyed by suburban and middle class Americans.
    I’ll ask my middle-class, suburban, black next-door neighbor and see what he thinks.

  • Well, I admit the approach isn’t for everyone.
    aimai

  • mpowell

    aimai,
    I think the difficulties that african americans face extend beyond class.

  • geo

    It’s a hard case to make if you look at slavery in isolation, and say the damage was all done before 1865.
    Actually, it’s not really that hard to find a historical record of the economic benefits made by the U.S. slave sale.
    All we need are some historians and a look at all the insurance records kept on slaves.
    Those Yankee businesses kept really good records.

  • Manger Borne

    Doesn’t such comments by Judeo-Christians make you see why and how they were cast out of Europe? Now they think they ‘own’ this stolen and Ethnically Cleansed [“Indian”] land.
    Why don’t we All go back home–and let’s see if the Native Indians can function off of the criminally imposed “reservations.”

  • Acajudi

    I am of African, Native American, and Scottish ancestry, so who should I be happy, that I am here. Most of us are mixed, so that makes me an American.

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