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No troll feeding, please. Comment threads are one of the very best features of the blogosphere. The point of trolling is to ruin a comment thread; people cease to say anything interesting or useful, and instead simply react to the troll. Consequently, the troll takes ever more outrageous positions, in order to provoke. So, again; don’t feed the troll.

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  • d, just the other day I managed to milk that thread for some laughs over at Balloon Juice. Those were good times, my friend…
    Tom “genocidal wishes” Hilton

  • d, just the other day I managed to milk that thread for some laughs over at Balloon Juice. Those were good times, my friend…
    Tom “genocidal wishes” Hilton

  • That depends on who gets to define the categories.
    Ah, sophistry. Excellent. So, gay-bashing, racism, pro-torture? Merely unpopular, not odious or demonstrably false?
    Whatever.

  • That depends on who gets to define the categories.
    Ah, sophistry. Excellent. So, gay-bashing, racism, pro-torture? Merely unpopular, not odious or demonstrably false?
    Whatever.

  • Yeah, that was pretty much the blogging highlight of my life. I still chuckle at asking CY if he’ll come teach my courses in his Klan garb.

  • Yeah, that was pretty much the blogging highlight of my life. I still chuckle at asking CY if he’ll come teach my courses in his Klan garb.

  • coozledad

    Tom, I share your sentiments regarding the unavailability of even primitive, wagon-borne thermonuclear devices to General Sherman, and I’m a native Southerner. One day CY will get a thorough fucking over by some of the creeps he idolizes. It’s inevitable down here.

  • coozledad

    Tom, I share your sentiments regarding the unavailability of even primitive, wagon-borne thermonuclear devices to General Sherman, and I’m a native Southerner. One day CY will get a thorough fucking over by some of the creeps he idolizes. It’s inevitable down here.

  • I just found out I’m not banned over there anymore. I have to re-up my membership in the banned club. Luckily, he has a good climate change post that should help me out.

  • I just found out I’m not banned over there anymore. I have to re-up my membership in the banned club. Luckily, he has a good climate change post that should help me out.

  • aimai

    Incontinentia Buttocks:
    so *that* is who gary ruppert is? I’ve always wondered. So he’s become like “al” and “fake al” over at kevin drum’s? These guys are starting to remind me of the character “ted” in buffy who is the computer avatar of a really horrible guy who programs his horribleness into a computer so he can keep living out his sick fantasies after he’s dead. Only in the case of al and fake al its become a kind of sad hommage.
    aimai

  • aimai

    Incontinentia Buttocks:
    so *that* is who gary ruppert is? I’ve always wondered. So he’s become like “al” and “fake al” over at kevin drum’s? These guys are starting to remind me of the character “ted” in buffy who is the computer avatar of a really horrible guy who programs his horribleness into a computer so he can keep living out his sick fantasies after he’s dead. Only in the case of al and fake al its become a kind of sad hommage.
    aimai

  • Barry Freed

    TH, d and Erik, thanks much for that very entertaining TIDOS thread. How does he remember to breathe?
    And Dan, thanks for the mention of Steve Gilliard and his inimitable troll-wrangling ways. Jesus, do I miss that guy.

  • Barry Freed

    TH, d and Erik, thanks much for that very entertaining TIDOS thread. How does he remember to breathe?
    And Dan, thanks for the mention of Steve Gilliard and his inimitable troll-wrangling ways. Jesus, do I miss that guy.

  • charles in cowtown

    Does this mean we can’t say that Derek Jeter is the best shortstop EVAH?
    tbogg | Homepage | 11.13.07 – 2:05 pm | #
    That’s it! Ban his ass! Him and his portly sausage dogs too!

  • charles in cowtown

    Does this mean we can’t say that Derek Jeter is the best shortstop EVAH?
    tbogg | Homepage | 11.13.07 – 2:05 pm | #
    That’s it! Ban his ass! Him and his portly sausage dogs too!

  • STH

    Who knows, aimai? All I know is that Gary Ruppert used to have a pretty consistent writing style and M.O. over there: drop one or two completely OT comments into each thread, never respond to other comments, confidently predict complete Republican success in all endeavors (Katherine Harris winning a Senate seat in a landslide was a particularly memorable prediction), and use a lot of “the fact is” statements. Now, anything goes, and his/her writing style is always changing. Either Gary’s alters like to troll, too, or SN’s got multiple Garys. If you comment there, be sure and ask the current Gary or Garys about his/her/their comment way back when about how gay sex is so hot that you have to keep people from trying it or they’ll get “hooked.” Nice little window into Gary’s psyche, that one.

  • STH

    Who knows, aimai? All I know is that Gary Ruppert used to have a pretty consistent writing style and M.O. over there: drop one or two completely OT comments into each thread, never respond to other comments, confidently predict complete Republican success in all endeavors (Katherine Harris winning a Senate seat in a landslide was a particularly memorable prediction), and use a lot of “the fact is” statements. Now, anything goes, and his/her writing style is always changing. Either Gary’s alters like to troll, too, or SN’s got multiple Garys. If you comment there, be sure and ask the current Gary or Garys about his/her/their comment way back when about how gay sex is so hot that you have to keep people from trying it or they’ll get “hooked.” Nice little window into Gary’s psyche, that one.

  • Mike

    Ah, sophistry. Excellent. So, gay-bashing, racism, pro-torture? Merely unpopular, not odious or demonstrably false?
    Giving examples of easy cases to demonstrate that there are no hard ones. No sophistry there!

  • Mike

    Ah, sophistry. Excellent. So, gay-bashing, racism, pro-torture? Merely unpopular, not odious or demonstrably false?
    Giving examples of easy cases to demonstrate that there are no hard ones. No sophistry there!

  • MFB

    I am shocked to see that nobody on this thread has pointed out that the surge is working, that democracy has come to Afghanistan, that the last six years have seen the nation’s most rapid economic growth in history, and that Michael Moore is fat.
    But I am glad that a few people have boldly stood up and mentioned Amanda Marcotte.
    May I take a firm stand and say that they, whoever they are, are many times worse than Hitler in their anti-Semitism?
    PLEASE RESPOND TO ALL OF THE ABOVE OBSERVATIONS AND GIVE MY SAD LIFE MEANING AT LAST!!

  • MFB

    I am shocked to see that nobody on this thread has pointed out that the surge is working, that democracy has come to Afghanistan, that the last six years have seen the nation’s most rapid economic growth in history, and that Michael Moore is fat.
    But I am glad that a few people have boldly stood up and mentioned Amanda Marcotte.
    May I take a firm stand and say that they, whoever they are, are many times worse than Hitler in their anti-Semitism?
    PLEASE RESPOND TO ALL OF THE ABOVE OBSERVATIONS AND GIVE MY SAD LIFE MEANING AT LAST!!

  • Uncle Kvetch

    That’s it! Ban his ass!
    This probably isn’t the best time to mention that I don’t find Jewel any more annoying than the Arcade Fire. So I won’t.

  • Uncle Kvetch

    That’s it! Ban his ass!
    This probably isn’t the best time to mention that I don’t find Jewel any more annoying than the Arcade Fire. So I won’t.

  • Matt Weiner

    Have I said lately that I’m a big Richard Linklater fan?

  • Matt Weiner

    Have I said lately that I’m a big Richard Linklater fan?

  • But I don’t know if it would work away from Unfogged.
    LizardBreath

    Unfortunately, I think Unfogged is a special case. First of all, it’s a relatively close-knit community, so people aren’t as likely to misinterpret each other or care about the opinion of a newcomer. More importantly, though, except maybe for Daily Kos, I don’t know of any other blog that routinely generates thousand-comment threads, let alone without being instigated by trolling. As was pointed out a few days ago, that might turn off newcomers, but trolls would probably also bounce off it, frustrated. Why would Robert Zimmerman/Fred Jones/The Traveler/El Viajero/unhinged liberal/ewan care about provoking a 600-comment thread that quickly goes off-topic when a debate over the blog’s atmosphere grows to over a thousand comments?

  • But I don’t know if it would work away from Unfogged.
    LizardBreath

    Unfortunately, I think Unfogged is a special case. First of all, it’s a relatively close-knit community, so people aren’t as likely to misinterpret each other or care about the opinion of a newcomer. More importantly, though, except maybe for Daily Kos, I don’t know of any other blog that routinely generates thousand-comment threads, let alone without being instigated by trolling. As was pointed out a few days ago, that might turn off newcomers, but trolls would probably also bounce off it, frustrated. Why would Robert Zimmerman/Fred Jones/The Traveler/El Viajero/unhinged liberal/ewan care about provoking a 600-comment thread that quickly goes off-topic when a debate over the blog’s atmosphere grows to over a thousand comments?

  • My ban is still operative, Erik. But don’t feel bad–I’m sure you can get banned again, and maybe permanently this time.

  • My ban is still operative, Erik. But don’t feel bad–I’m sure you can get banned again, and maybe permanently this time.

  • Cyrus, Making Light gets 1000 post threads (which are cut off at about that number because of stability problems).
    I don’t know about the small size (a few hundred identifiable commenters), and new people are welcomed (esp. if they write poetry.
    Trolls are occaisional, and (usually) short-lived. Disemvowelling happens, at times, and on very rare occaisions, something gets deleted, or a poster gets banned.
    I don’t get much in the way of trolls, except on torture, and mostly I ignore them (certainly the consistent one… I don’t even read his posts, on anything, because he keeps the really offensive stuff to his other blogs, and I’m not going there to address personal attacks).
    I don’t think his, so far as I can tell, sincere beliefs in the value and effectiveness of torture, changes his trollish nature, on those subjects. He knows my position, and his attempts to “refute” them have been addressed before, so what point?
    The same point to my responses to those who spew such things in other fora, he’s afraid someone will believe me.
    I could ban him, but that’s not going to do much; save give him grounds to point and laugh; claiming he is being denied because he is right and I can’t bear to see it.

  • Cyrus, Making Light gets 1000 post threads (which are cut off at about that number because of stability problems).
    I don’t know about the small size (a few hundred identifiable commenters), and new people are welcomed (esp. if they write poetry.
    Trolls are occaisional, and (usually) short-lived. Disemvowelling happens, at times, and on very rare occaisions, something gets deleted, or a poster gets banned.
    I don’t get much in the way of trolls, except on torture, and mostly I ignore them (certainly the consistent one… I don’t even read his posts, on anything, because he keeps the really offensive stuff to his other blogs, and I’m not going there to address personal attacks).
    I don’t think his, so far as I can tell, sincere beliefs in the value and effectiveness of torture, changes his trollish nature, on those subjects. He knows my position, and his attempts to “refute” them have been addressed before, so what point?
    The same point to my responses to those who spew such things in other fora, he’s afraid someone will believe me.
    I could ban him, but that’s not going to do much; save give him grounds to point and laugh; claiming he is being denied because he is right and I can’t bear to see it.

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